Revelation stuff per request for PetrW

by EasyPrompt 33 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt

    Jeremiah 51:47-49 says:


    "Therefore look! the days are coming

    When I will turn my attention to the graven images of Babylon.

    All her land will be put to shame,

    And all her slain will fall in her midst.

    The heavens and the earth and everything in them

    Will shout joyfully over Babylon,

    For the destroyers will come to her out of the north,” declares Jehovah.

    Not only did Babylon cause the slain of Israel to fall

    But also at Babylon the slain ones of all the earth have fallen."


    Jeremiah 51:60-64 says:


    "Jeremiah wrote in one book all the calamity that would come upon Babylon, all these words written against Babylon. Furthermore, Jeremiah said to Se·raiʹah: “When you come to Babylon and see her, you must read aloud all these words. Then say, ‘O Jehovah, you have said against this place that it will be destroyed and left without an inhabitant, man or beast, and that she will become desolate forever.’ And when you finish reading this book, tie a stone to it and throw it into the middle of the Eu·phraʹtes. Then say, ‘This is how Babylon will sink down and never rise again because of the calamity that I am bringing on her; and they will grow weary.’"


    Revelation is a vision given in signs. The rest of the scriptures in the Bible help us to understand what those signs mean. The book of Jeremiah talks a lot about Babylon and uses many of the same images as in Revelation.


    "Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth." (Revelation 18:24)


    If the empire of religious institutions was faithful, if she was doing her job, if religion was truly representing God, then she would have taught the people how to love instead of fomenting hatred, allowing abuse, teaching untruth, and encouraging division.


    "God is Love."


    God views the religious institutions as extremely bloodguilty. He doesn't approve of them and their heinous actions. He's going to take vengeance on the religious institutions for what they've done. That's what Revelation 18:24 is talking about.

  • BoogerMan
    BoogerMan

    @ easyprompt - You said, "He is allowing the nations to devour the religious institutions, (plural) represented by Babylon the Great."

    IMO, BTG appears to be a singular entity, not several, and she is the preeminent force/cabal which is and has been in united opposition to Messianic truth & believers - as indicated by Revelation 17:5 - "On her forehead was written a name, a mystery*: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the prostitutes and of the disgusting things of the earth.”"

    All the other lesser "prostitutes" are her progeny who merely folllow in BTG's footsteps.

    I'd say that the WTBTS & CCoJW's qualify admirably as "mummy's offspring."

    *As for BTG herself, when "she" is destroyed, the mystery will be sol - ved. (said in a Clouseau accent!)

  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt

    😆

    Revelation 17:18


    "And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth."


    Hi, @BoogerMan!🙂



    In time, the mystery of the "woman" Babylon the Great and all the religious institutions "she" represents will be completely revealed to all, just like at the end of a Scooby Doo episode, lol...🥸😲😝

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ozIHomn8Q

  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt
    BoogerMan: "JW's will be sorely disappointed when their G.T. expectations don't materialise."


    Hopefully they get over it quickly and embrace the "good news" that includes the "sacred secret", God is not partial, there aren't so many divisions as they think!


    "...the third heaven...paradise" (2 Corinthians 12:1-7)


    "Heaven" in some contexts means governments.


    Per 2 Peter 3:5-7...


    First "heavens" = governments/authorities on earth pre-Flood

    Second "heavens" = governments/authorities on earth today

    Third "heavens" = earth under Kingdom government to come, which will be a paradise


    It's not "paradise" unless God's hanging out walking around there with his family.


    "And the name of the city from that day on will be Jehovah Is There.” (Ezekiel 48:35)


    All things are possible with God. He's the One who made the Garden of Eden. He made the body of Adam out of dust. If He can make the earth a paradise, if He can make a garden and a body, certainly He can hang out in that very paradise garden with his kids by whatever means He chooses. "He Causes to Become."


    Even Jesus said, "Truly, you will be with me in Paradise," because we'll all hang out.


    Revelation 21:1-5


    "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”"


    (Kinda close to what's described in this song☺️...)


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqXd7mBDteo

  • truthlover123
    truthlover123

    EP:

    Enjoy your in depth discussions however, why do you use so many spaces between your thoughts?

  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt


    Hi, @truthlover123!🙂


    "He stretches out the northern sky over empty space,

    Suspending the earth upon nothing..." (Job 26:7)


    "why do you use so many spaces between your thoughts?"


    I guess I'm kind of a "space-case", lol! 🤪


    ...Well, actually, my eyes 👀aren't as good as they used to be, the font is small 🔍on the forum, my internet sometimes crashes💥or the page has to be reloaded♻️before I am done typing a comment, so I usually type it on my "notes" app and then copy it to the forum "post reply" box. When it loads on the forum, the spacing is automatically doubled (and I am usually not that motivated to go back and delete the extra spaces.)

  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt

    Since we're talking about space now, at Job 36:15,16 it says...


    "God rescues the afflicted during their affliction;

    He opens their ear when they are oppressed.

    He draws you away from the brink of distress

    To a broad space, free of restriction..."


    The city described in Revelation that comes down out of heaven to the earth has broad golden streets. Love is golden, it is the way, and all on earth who want to be God's children will get to personally interact with their heavenly Father because God's Way is Love. That's why it says the city comes down out of heaven to the earth.


    During the 1000 year reign, Jesus and those in the Kingdom government will be hanging out here on earth. They'll talk with people and eat with people, just like Jesus materialized a body and talked with people and ate with people after he was resurrected. The sacred secret is that at the end of the 1000 year reign Jehovah is also coming to the earth to hang out with all His kids. It's right in His Word. There is enough space in His heart for all His kids. (He's not the one who causes divisions. He's the One who heals them.) Jesus came to earth to show what Jehovah's going to do later. (Revelation 1:4b, 1:8) "Let the children come to me."


    1 Corinthians 2:9,10


    "But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, nor have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.” For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God."💖


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQgMtaT4zqs


  • truthlover123
    truthlover123

    Good to know and thanks - I agree about coming to earth - Revelation speaks of it three times that I see... will be such a glorious time

  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt

    🥰Praise Jehovah and the Lamb!


    Revelation 15:3,4


    "Great and wonderful are your works, Jehovah God, the Almighty.

    Righteous and true are your ways, King of eternity.

    Who will not really fear you, Jehovah, and glorify your name, for you alone are loyal?

    For all the nations will come and worship before you, because your righteous decrees have been revealed.”


    🥰💖🫶🎶💞


    All things made new, no more divisions, the whole universal family getting to hang out, it's going to be wonderful!💝


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nGKqH26xlg

  • Duran
    Duran

    EasyPrompt:

    Revelation 19:11-16 makes clear that Jesus is the same as the rider of the white horse, the first of the "four horsemen".

    How is it that Rev 19:11-16 makes clear that Jesus is the rider on the first horse of the 4 horsemen?

    Are you saying that based on the horses in both accounts being white?

    If you think Jesus is one of the 4 horsemen, whom do you think the other 3 represent?

    Revelation 6:2-8

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