And they can just as easily claim they didn't. It almost has to happen. Back away gradually then poof new light that no one can precisely date the "invisible presence". Like a band-aid ripped off, the whining will be short lived. And it will be just another example of overzealous anticipations of the past.
Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete 89 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Beth Sarim
Jeffro;
"Fisherman:
The great tribulation must now come and validate JW.
😂 The ‘great tribulation’ came and went in 66-70 CE. JWs can’t even get right the basic sequence that Jesus’ ‘presence’ is explicitly described as happening after the ‘great tribulation’. So there is no hope for them, in every sense of the word.""
Jeffro:
The Borg has a narrow margin of getting things right the first time. I wonder at times how much credibility they have left. It's scary to think people put their lives on the line for them.
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Beth Sarim
Disillusioned;
''When did they stop using the Reasoning from the Scriptures book?''
Around 2009 or 2010, or give or take a few years,, there was a big call to the elders to get pubs to return ''certain'' books to the KH (probably in order to destroy them).
There was large number of books like these ones around that time which became all of a sudden difficult to find. Oh you know, like Revelation Climax book, Live Forever book and this Reasoning book to name a few. Probably so they could destroy their past in 'reinvent' themselves.
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ozziepost
G’day,
I’ve come to this thread late, but a post by TD with extract from Watchtower 1933 caught my eye (and ire!):
https://img.jehovahs-witness.com/image/f2a72c1fe120221304aded02cf272606?s=480
No-one seems to have picked up on the sacrilegious statement by “the F&DS”. Upon entering heaven after his resurrection, Christ was “told to wait”, kick his heels, how could christians at the time, and now, not see how sacrilegious, even blasphemous, that teaching is.
Cheers,
Ozzie 🍷
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Fisherman
And they can just as easily claim they didn't.
You don’t get it. If JW claim a sign validates 1914. It is written in stone. And that’s that.
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Fisherman
Hi Ozzie,
kick his heels, how could christians at the time, and now, not see how sacrilegious, even blasphemous, that teaching is.
As Jw interpret the Bible Satan is still running around and Jesus will just have to wait until God’s appointed time to crush his head. By the same token Jesus had to wait until the Gentile Times ended when at that time 1914 he was given power to act first to kick Satan out of heaven.
Nothing offensive about Jesus being patient: “Consider the patience of our Lord..”
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Fisherman
TD
By the way, thanks for sharing the very interesting quotations. Not too many people have them or have read them before, I figure. I always enjoy your commentary and your material.
Best,
Fisherman
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Jeffro
Fisherman:
You don’t get it. If JW claim a sign validates 1914. It is written in stone. And that’s that.
😂 it’s hard to satirise these guys when they say things like that themselves. All of their nutty beliefs are ‘set in stone’ only until they arbitrarily change it to something completely different. And then the fact that what they previously taught as ‘truth’ was never actually true is conveniently ignored.
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Sea Breeze
If a person doesn't understand the the biblical concept of dispensations, It will be hard to understand what 1914 was all about.
It is obvious to me that this was an attempt to shut down the dispensation of grace. This in turn opened the door to highlighting a small number of scriptures that apply during the period before the Millieniium Reign begins.
The ultimate goal of this tactic was to make the New Covenant (with its promises) irrelevant to the average member This of course makes it seem logical to ritually reject the NC at each Memorial.
It is a brilliant deception for those who fall for it.The WT will never abandon 1914 because it will open up the age of grace again with its covenant of grace. The whole reason they exist is to shut that door.
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Jeffro
God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached (1973), pages 209-210:
In the year 1943 the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society published the book “The Truth Shall Make You Free.” In its chapter 11, entitled “The Count of Time,” it did away with the insertion of 100 years into the period of the Judges and went according to the oldest and most authentic reading of Acts 13:20, and accepted the spelled-out numbers of the Hebrew Scriptures. This moved forward the end of six thousand years of man’s existence into the decade of the 1970’s. Naturally this did away with the year 1874 C.E. as the date of return of the Lord Jesus Christ and the beginning of his invisible presence or parousia. The millennium that was to be marked by the detaining of Satan the Devil enchained in the abyss and by the reign of the 144,000 joint heirs with Christ in heavenly glory was therefore yet in the future. What, then, about the parousia (presence) of Christ? Page 324 of the above book positively says: “The King’s presence or parousia began in 1914.” Also, in the Watchtower issue of July 15, 1949 (page 215, paragraph 22), the statement is made: “ . . . Messiah, the Son of man, came into Kingdom power A.D. 1914 and . . . this constitutes his second coming and the beginning of his second parousía or presence.”
The Watchtower, 15 August 1974 page 507:
In 1943 the Watch Tower Society’s book “The Truth Shall Make You Free” did away with the nonexistent extra 100 years in the period of the Judges and placed the end of 6,000 years of man’s existence in the 1970’s. It also fixed the beginning of Christ’s presence, not in 1874, but in 1914 C.E.
These claims, both in the lead-up to 1975, associated the change from 1874 to 1914 for Jesus' 'presence' with a mistaken view that the 6th millennium ended in 1874, replacing it with an equally wrong 'correction' that instead focussed on 1975 (essentially a red herring intended to add weight to their 1975 nonsense). This lie completely conceals the reason, the timing, and the individual responsible for shifting Jesus' parousia from 1874 to 1914 (which has already been demonstrated to have been made by Rutherford in the early 1930s). There is actually no 'natural' (i.e, obvious) reason that changing some other interpretation about 1874 necessarily meant Jesus 'presence' also had to be changed to 1914 (especially since their beliefs about 1874 and 1914 are nonsense anyway, but even if they weren't).
Though the cited 1943 book did update their nutty chronology, it didn't actually make any special point about 'removing 100 years' from their previous chronology nor did it specifically mention the 1970s (though it does say the total time for all the creative 'days' was exactly 42,000 years 🤣). Worse still, the 1943 book placed the 'creation of Adam' in 4028 BCE, so by 1974, the 1943 claim about what was to happen after 6,000 years had already failed. Little wonder they were so selective about quoting from that book.