Comments You Will Not Hear at the 1-25-04 WT Study

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  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    Thanks Blondie for that breakdown. I decided to go to the meeting - I had to know how it would be discussed. The desired responses were given, the right emotions were whipped up. There were 2 or 3 comments on being 90 years into the time of the end so it must be real close, yet only one person who made the parallel between Noah's 120 years and ours, and that we shouldn't defer our sense of urgency for 30 years into the future - the end could happen anytime now.

    The article did its job. Closely following are the re-inforcer articles.

  • SM62
    SM62

    Thanks for this Blondie - I read it and it helped to clear things in my head.

    So we are 90 years into the end - which is going to last 120 years in total! I can't believe they are implying, in a roundabout sort of way, that the end will come 2034ish. I am pretty sick of all these predictions now. How on earth does the average JW cope with all of this? What about those that have lived through the 1975 fiasco - are they really going to swallow this all over again? I'm glad I'm out and can see things clearly at last.

    Terri

  • blondie
    blondie

    Well, jgnat

    Based on other posts here, he has a 50-50 chance of hearing 1914 and 120 years connected to make 2034. It is too early for the WTS to run with the ball but they could be laying the foundation for 21 years from now. Although the WTS knew about the 6,000 years of human history years before 1966 it wasn?t until then only 9 years before 1975 that it started being a date to hope for. So if I?m alive on 2025, I?ll see what happens.

    Some day we?ll be back up in your area.

    Could be, acsot,

    I think that's why some of the JWs I know in the bigger cities are "serving where the need is great", going into foreign language congregations. Struggling to learn a new language helps prevent the insanity-from-monotony syndrome. Even if it is a language that will probably not be used in any other sphere of activity like work or with extended family, such as Hindi or Tagalog. Many long-time Witnesses I know are learning these types of languages, ostensibly to help out. But there are lots of native speaking people of those languages, so they really don't need massive droves of "foreigners" in their congregations. I truly think it's because the R&F are bored out of their minds and need to do something to keep themselves distracted.

    Some single ones are switching to find mates too. I am amazed at the ones that go and struggle. At least they don?t understand most of what is said. It?s Greek to them, ha.

    Poor BluesBrother,

    Did you have to run back and vomit after the talk?

    How meany flippin times have we heard that before?

    As many times as it takes to keep the "faithful" in line. Before long the generation of 1975 will be dead and it will be easier to fool and manipulate the ones that remain.

    Sooner than soon, Elsewhere.

    Hi catchthis, you?re new,

    I have made this point in previous reviews, but I try not to beat the point. Thanks for bringing it out. Paradise Soon was a phrase the WTS chastised the rank and file for.

    Ask yourself, what is the greater issue at hand here? The primary issue that ALL WITNESSES are taught? Is it not Jehovah's Universal Sovereignty being made known? If you were to ask any witness what they look forward to regarding the end of the system, each and every one of them will tell you something that has to do with the paradise. The reason is because they are looking out for Number 1. It's what they get out of it - What will God do for me? But once you remind them about Jah's sovereignty issue they will backpeddle and say, oh yeah, that's right, that is much more important.

    *** w99 7/15 p. 18 Anchored by Hope, Impelled by Love ***

    Some who have stopped associating with the Christian congregation still believe that it practices the true religion. However, they evidently lack the patience and endurance required to wait for the new world that Jehovah God has promised. Life in Paradise has not come soon enough for them.

    9

    A few dedicated Christians in some parts of the world appear to have reefed the sails of their ship of faith. The ship is still afloat, but instead of forging ahead in full faith, they have adopted a cruising speed. Drawn by the hope of "Paradise soon," some were prepared to spare no efforts to attain it?zealous in the preaching work and regular in attendance at all meetings, assemblies, and conventions. Now thinking that the realization of their hopes is farther off than they anticipated, they have lowered the price they are willing to pay. This is evident in reduced preaching activity, irregularity at meetings, and willingness to miss parts of assembly or convention programs. Others are devoting more time to recreation and to obtaining material comforts. These facts lead us to consider what should be the driving force in our lives in line with our dedication to Jehovah. Should our zeal in his service be dependent on the hope of "Paradise soon"?

    Hi NY44M,

    My condolences on still attending the meetings. I doubt that many near Bethel will make any on platform or comments during the meeting. But as to this

    The most offensive quote from the WT was that the Watchtower has a circulation of 25 million copies. While it may be true that they print 25 million copies of each issue, that has no connection with how many copies are circulated. Does the "stacks" of mags that each publisher have in their home count as circulation? Once when our congregation had a "special campaign" they asked the congregation to bring to the hall any excess mags. We ended up with boxes upon boxes of mags.

    I made that very comment during my review. We always cut back our order. Sometimes we would bring them to the KH when no one was there and drop them off on the counter to the consternation of the magazine servants.

    Mustang, of course, he only said that after he was caught and proven wrong in a public court.

    Hey Ann,

    There were 2 or 3 comments on being 90 years into the time of the end so it must be real close, yet only one person who made the parallel between Noah's 120 years and ours, and that we shouldn't defer our sense of urgency for 30 years into the future - the end could happen anytime now.

    Then why aren?t JWs living their lives and preaching a message as if it were coming tomorrow. The next 2 articles prove that JWs are sitting back and taking it easy and the WTS is not happy.

    SM,

    What about those that have lived through the 1975 fiasco - are they really going to swallow this all over again?

    A lot of those JWs are gone, either left or died or getting older, by 2034 they will be in their 70?s and 80?s.

    The "faithful" will believe and do whatever the WTS says, the rest will leave.

    Blondie

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Excellent Blondie,

    I did not see which Watchtower issue this was that was studied yesterday. Would you post the issue? Thanks. - Jim W,

  • blondie
    blondie

    Thanks, Jim, if you look at the review you will find that every word in the article is there in red (except for my comments in parentheses). Each review has all the article verbatim (although interrupted by my comments).

    Blondie

  • Doubtfully Yours
    Doubtfully Yours

    Blondie,

    When I read the title of the article to be studied at yesterday's WT meeting, I started doing the laundry and cleaning up around the house; my husband noticed that I looked hurried, so I plain told him I had tons of stuff to get done so I wasn't going to the meeting. He seemed unconcerned this time if I went or not.

    In my mind I thought "Oh brother, here they go again with the same old 'cry wolf' deal". No way will I waste 3 hours of my precious afternoon!

    DY

  • blondie
    blondie

    DY, I don't think many said much from the platform. But were there those wondering after the meeting, maybe. If they WTS were going to start pressuring people about a date, they would start closer to the date. But if they want to lay a foundation to point back to....

    They are harping on materialism nowaways, spending money and time on the "wrong" things, when they should be pioneering and sending their money to the WTS.

    In one congregation nearby, all the elders either bought or built a new house.

    Blondie

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly
    Then why aren?t JWs living their lives and preaching a message as if it were coming tomorrow. The next 2 articles prove that JWs are sitting back and taking it easy and the WTS is not happy.

    Aw, ya know how it works, Blondie. Most go with the flow for the hour, making the right noises, then go home and forget about it. Those who don't forget about it keep up a renewed increased momentum for a couple of weeks before they get pooped and revert to normal. I'm convinced the WTS know this and that is why there is a quick succession of follow up articles (later on chronology and the FDS appointment) to impress the points home. There's a greater chance of the lessons filtering into the long term JW memory. Those who take it seriously are already going at break-neck speed where only death or a life-threatening illness will slow them down. Then there are the cynics who see the manipulation for what it is, go away and fume.

  • NewYork44M
    NewYork44M
    The next 2 articles prove that JWs are sitting back and taking it easy and the WTS is not happy.

    Blondie,

    I am looking forward to your reviews of these articles. As I was sitting through the study this past week I was wandering through the next study articles. I was especially offended by the pictures. A picture says a thousand words. Notice the last picture of the older couple pondering how they should simplify their lives. In the background were framed diplomas on the wall and two pictures of graduations on the coffee table. The message clearly is that the friends have veered to close to the world when it comes to education and it is time to reel them back to the fold.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Good points, Ann, I remember those days not that long ago.

    Most go with the flow for the hour, making the right noises, then go home and forget about it. Those who don't forget about it keep up a renewed increased momentum for a couple of weeks before they get pooped and revert to normal.

    There is a definite agenda in the topics the WTS chooses. It is pretty easy to see what the "spiritual" problems are in the Borg.

    I'm convinced the WTS know this and that is why there is a quick succession of follow up articles (later on chronology and the FDS appointment) to impress the points home. There's a greater chance of the lessons filtering into the long term JW memory.

    Probably why there is a high overuse of alcohol and prescription drugs.

    Those who take it seriously are already going at break-neck speed where only death or a life-threatening illness will slow them down.
    Then there are the cynics who see the manipulation for what it is, go away and fume.

    Yes, I "fume" but with a purpose.

    And NY44M,

    Thanks for bringing that out about the picture. I saw those clues and have my own caption for that picture. After all, I do have ESP (smile).

    Blondie

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