Why does God allow people to develop 'forbidden' special powers? (page 10)

Nathan Natas

I would rather be considered a loser than an asshole.

Why limit yourself when you can be both?

Xena

How exactly am I being an asshole Nathan? Because I don't agree with you. Or because I didn't care for your little gloating comment?

Yes but none of them are phoney metaphysicians, whose "powers" can solve the world's unbent spoon shortage or who tells us that dead Aunt Tilly wants us to remind her what her favorite color was.
Real special powers come from the development and use of the rational analytical mind, not from the mojo bag of some superstitious shaman.
There is no "spirit realm" populated with any sort of immaterial intelligent creatures.

God is a sock puppet who speaks only when he has a priest's arm run up his ass.

Really, if you accept this baloney, how do you get through the day intact?

Comments like these were designed to belittle others. Or did I miss some other "noble" purpose hidden there?

The funny think is I don't believe particularly in the supernatural or paranormal, but I do believe in people having the right to believe what they want without having it ridiculed. Forcing people to believe my version of the truth is something I did when I was a dub, I don't consider it my right or privilege anymore.

And now I will say "good day" lol and mean it.

Nathan Natas

Xena,

YOU'RE the one who first employed the "A" word.

Don't complain if your tactic is turned against you.

rem

Berten,

::No,I am suggesting that "Skeptics" are just as much "believers" as those that don't call themselves "Skeptics".
::They just don't allow "paranormal phenomena" into their beliefsystem...

This is incorrect, at least as it applies to most skeptics I know, including myself. I would have no problem believing in "paranormal phenomena" if it could be proven. I think it would be great and could have some wonderful applications in our society. In fact, my current lack of belief in the supernatural is due to my research in trying to find out about the paranormal as a believer.

rem

Frannie Banannie

Oh, youse "guys".......someone had to be thinking "outside the box" of logic to have designed a bumblebee that flies (against the law of physics?)....the duckbilled platypus....just to name a few exceptions to the seeming orderly existence of life as we know it on planet earth. Can yall think "outside the box"?

Frannie B (of the duckin' an' runnin' for cover Class)

rem

Bumblebees do not defy the laws of physics... otherwise bumblebee flight would be supernatural. It just so happens that the mathematics to explain bumblebee flight are much more complicated than the relatively simple fixed-wing flight.

Scientists think outside of the box all of the time. That's why we have Relativity, QM, Vaccines, Television, the Internet, etc.

Yet there are no psychic phone booths where I can call my dead aunt Tilly for a quarter. You'll find card counting rules in Casinos, but you'll be hard pressed to find any "NO PSYCHICS ALLOWED" signs. Didn't notice anyone predict the 911 terrorist acts, and no remote viewers have found Osamma yet. The abducted girl in Utah was found by a store clerk, not a psychic... in fact psychics gave out a whole bunch of wrong information.

If psychic powers were real, you'd expect to find some benefit from them. I mean, you can find mass benefit in the smallest of human inventions - even down to the paperclip!

rem

Xena

aaahhh I just can't help myself...color me a liar I'm back...

rem, I believe mulan stated it was easy for her do not easy for her to prove. Personally I have never seen an aura and am not sure I could, I tend to be a bit to earth bound

ok maybe the eyecolor thing was a bad example. How about this...mac asserted that his son can do some extraordinary things, yes? Does he have to prove these to you? Nope, they are real to him and to his son, he doesn't appear to feel the need to prove them to anyone, you believe it or you don't. If you don't want to believe him, it's up to you to prove him wrong....your issue, not his.

Nathan I apoligize for my asshole comment. It was out of line.

Frannie Banannie

Scientists think outside of the box all of the time. That's why we have Relativity, QM, Vaccines, Television, the Internet, etc.

Still, no psychic phone booth where I can call my dead aunt Tilly for a quarter.

LOL, Rem! That's only because scientists haven't mastered "time"..... .....and yet....it's man's imagination, along with man's penchant for knowledge and creativity that has advanced scientific, medical and cyber-technology worldwide.

FB

rem

Xena,

::rem, I believe mulan stated it was easy for her do not easy for her to prove. Personally I have never seen an aura and am not sure I could, I tend to be a bit to earth bound

That's where controlled tests come in. Hardly anything is easy to prove. We can add 2 + 2 and come up with 4, but can you prove it? It's more difficult than we might at first think, but we do eventually learn the proofs in High School.

I personally don't doubt that Mulan sees auras. What I'm interested in is "What is she really seeing". Some people have the spirit hypothesis. Some have a non-paranormal hypothesis. I'm interested in seeing which one is right. Pure curiosity. I believe that if auras are real spirit manifestations, there could be amazing applications - such as security screening, identification, diagnosis, etc. But the believers never prove their wonderful claims that could do the world a whole lot of good! When you get down to it, it seems downright selfish.

::ok maybe the eyecolor thing was a bad example. How about this...mac asserted that his son can do some extraordinary things, yes? Does he have to prove these to you? Nope, they are real to him and to his son, he doesn't appear to feel the need to prove them to anyone, you believe it or you don't. If you don't want to believe him, it's up to you to prove him wrong....your issue, not his.

I'm not asking him to prove his son can do anything. I don't doubt his son has done many if not all of the things he described. I just believe there are more prosaic explanations than invoking the supernatural. If his son really does have supernatural talents, then he is doing himself, his family, and the world a disservice by not taking the $1 million challenge. If his family is so sure that what he does is due to supernatural influence, then he should be able to win the challenge easily, making them rich with the easiest money they ever made. I think a healthy dose of skepticism is in order when people are not willing to provide evidence for their claims when it would do not only them, but the whole world a great deal of good.

Would we find Louis Pasteur a saint or a scoundrel if he hid his vaccination discoveries from the rest of us? We are benefiting today from his discoveries which led to tests of their validity. There is nothing abnormal about testing extraordinary finds or claims. It's how we progress.

rem

blondie

I used to think I had ESP but found out later that I was just a good reader of body language from growing up in an abusive family. But it was and is eerie. I frighten some people by telling them what they were thinking. It doesn't work over the internet, so you guys are all safe. Blondie

Why does God allow people to develop 'forbidden' special powers?

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