by Sea Breeze 33 Replies latest watchtower bible
Fisherman
I realize the accounts focus. But If the women of the community accepted and were socializing with her, why do you think she would go to such length to isolate herself?
Why do you assume there might not have been a loving provision being applied in her case?
Van,
I don’t think you realize or see the picture you don't get the point
why do you think she would go to such length to isolate herself?
Because it was a shameful thing to do in her community and she felt ashamed. No point in explaining any further. Like someone walking naked through the street. You should realize you are naked and don’t blame others.
Even if you come to your senses later on and put some clothes on, you know people saw you.
FM
<<She was not an outcast in the Samaritan community>>
OK so your opinion is that the women in her community failed to apply a loving provision. They would freely socialize with her if she was open to it. They were not afraid that she would corrupt the community or even steal one of their husband's in the process.
Van,
You don’t grasp that Samaritan laws were not Jewish ( you worship what you do not know) The Samaritans were not Jews. Jesus only corrected the application of Jewish law. So whether or not there were loving provisions in Samaritan apostate practices Jesus only corrected the application of Jewish beliefs and practices and laws. And whether or not it was right or wrong to for the Samaritan religion to ostracize the woman it was not the jurisdiction of Jesus to correct it therefore legitimizing the whole religion. The judging is of Judaism at that time time and not the religions of others. How the samaritans practiced their religion is totally immaterial.
This and other episodes from the Bible should inform the WT view of women and change it .
Jesus used a WOMAN to evangelise to the Samaritan community, even the men . Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Jesus and was the person chosen to tell the , male , disciples that the Lord was risen .
So Jesus felt that women were ( are ) not second class citizens only fit to take a back seat .
WT take note.
Jan
Van,
It also hasn’t been established whether or not she was ostracized at all although I have shown that it is irrelevant because they were not Jews doing this.
But let’s have it your way Van and say the Samaritans were shunning her. The Samaritan law was irrelevant as is other religions.
Now let’s have it your way again and say that she was the Jewish woman at the well ( but that is another topic):
In that case Jewish law applied and as I pointed out before, you victimize the sinner. Also, the Jews at that time were not under grace. They were under law. So when they broke the law, they had to pay the price and follow legal provisions for the adjudication of sin. People were not free to go around deliberately breaking the law of Moses with impunity.
Under grace, there is a loving provision when a Christian commits a sin and wants to repents but there is no loving provision from the church when a christian defiantly practices sin such as living a debauched or depraved life and practices sin.
only fit to take a back seat .
WT take note.
LOL Every healthy male inside the WT and out must confess that the most powerful and the most magnificent creature on earth is the female of the species. Or why do you think JW males have the “earthly hope”?
" So Jesus felt that women were ( are ) not second class citizens only fit to take a back seat ."
I was always looked on favourably by the "Sisters" in the Congregation as I always championed this point of view. I was brought up by my JW parents to think this way, they were not non-thinking, main stream, grey little J.W's.
I was always looked on favourably by the "Sisters" in the Congregation
hmmmm oookay.
I've watched this video a number of times previously. I can't stop the tears that flow every time I see this woman liberated by Christ. Because you see, that was me,
I have to say, I cry too. I feel like if any story speaks to me in the NT, it's this one. I never, ever felt worthy of being a Christian. I *literally* couldn't lift up my eyes for shame. (Not just down to the Jobots inc. I come from a very shame based family)
