I need to prove that the WT BS is false

by dh 30 Replies latest jw friends

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  dh

  to a very close relative, who said they will listen if i can mail them info.
  

  basically i need to present the truth about the truth, but only things that can be verified either in society print, or in the case of the UN, from the UN itself, no opinions, just documents that can be checked, preferably old and new and on varying matters, inconsistencies, blatant changes in doctrine etc, with references.

  it's always been so 'matter of fact' for me that it's all false, i fear that if i try to provide information with just my own mindset, i will miss a lot and might not provide the best info, i have tried searching on the site but there are so many posts i struggle to find even posts i remember seeing last month.

  i know there are threads with loads of info on out there.

  help somebody please
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  Sirona

  Dh

  No offense, but there is so much info out there, why do you need us to find it?

  If you wanted a perspective on "how" to say something, that is a bit different. Proving the WTS is false its ridiculously easy considering the info out there.

  Do a search in this forum on disassociation letters for a starter, IMO

  Good luck!

  Sirona
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  dh

  you're right sirona, was stupid of me to ask, what was i thinking, i didn't ask for anybody to find it all for me, just was asking for help. anyways forget it.
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  Yerusalyim

  
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  link

  dh,

  If your close relatives are anything like mine, they will be well aware that you cannot disprove a negative. I continually get these challenges and have to turn them round and tell them to prove things to me.

  You could end up batting your head against a brick wall.

  link
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  dh

  oh well.
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  darkuncle29

  Dude! Don't give up. I know what you mean about "knowing" something enough to suit yourself, but having to prove it to others being dificult. I suck at using the search function here, but I will help you seek treasure-in the Terrence and Phillip sense-if you want help. There was a very good DA letter a few weeks ago. I am not sure if just the U.N. info is enough. To me that seems to be just a starter to get them to keep their shields down and more open for something more devastating. Did you have specific items in mind?

  If I can't be of any useful help, I'll have m0nk3y help me with a Cheer Leader outfit and we'll be your Cheer Squad. If I have to wear this skirt, I am NOT doing flips.
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  darkuncle29

  This is one of Amazing's GB posts. You might start here for other ammo.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/66096/1.ashx

  This post was motivated by these two excellent posts: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/61040/1.ashx by Mindchild, and http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/18/61103/1.ashx by Funkyderek. If you have time a glance through them may help make more sense out of this one.

  This is where those came from.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/61170/1.ashx

  Randy Watters' site.

  http://www.freeminds.org

  I'd do more sifting, not that it's helping any, but I have a five hour bus trip ahead ofme tomorrow. I HATE the bus. Good Luck.
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  dh

  thanks darkuncle, i am checking those links! it's difficult to find the right points to make without drowning someone with too much information in no order.

  sorry to everyone else if you've seen this subject a thousand times.

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  specific stuff i'm after is info on the failed predictions, and the dates that have been changed, publications that have been modified, i.e. watchtowers that were changed in the bound volumes, and i think You Can Live Forever book had some alteration between two editions, i read that recently, also the baptizm declaration was changed at some point.
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  seeitallclearlynow

  dh,

  If you go over to freeminds.org, he has a HUGE site full of proofs and suggestions. Tons of proofs from within Society's own publications, and those original pubs are available to purchase at reasonable prices. He has a lot of UN proof, lots of Watchtower Quotes, etc.

  The Jan. 1, 1989 Watchtower was altered when it came out in the bound volume.

  The Nov. 8, 1994 Awake has an article on 1914, and page 4 speaks of "The Creator's Promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away." But you'll notice that apparently the CREATOR no longer promises that (broken promise of the CREATOR ??)

  See Hebrews 6:17,18 for the "unchangeableness of His counsel" etc.

  Much more, but I have to go to work!