The Holographic Universe - Question for Skeptics

by Sirona 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    Hi Everyone,

    On the recommendation of "particlesandwaves" in another thread I'm reading the book "the Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot.

    The general theory is described here http://www.earthportals.com/hologram.html

    Its fascinating. I'm interested in the skeptics views on this theory (and book if you've read it). There are two sides to every story, as they say.

    Sirona

    P.S. Skeptics, you'll be happy to hear that my copy of Carl Sagan's "Demon Haunted World" is ordered and will be in the post !

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    The holographic paradigm may be a convenient way to cloak mystical metaphysics in the robe of science, but at the end of the day the paradigm breaks down. For starters, there is no such thing as a tangible hologram. If there was, Disney would be right on top of the technology. Bottom line: the universe is not a hologram. Parts of it may be like a hologram, while other parts may be like a fruit sherbet. Similies and metaphors are not identities.

    The article you linked to also made an appeal to the popular understanding of the term "maya" - that reality is illusory. The late Sufi teacher Idries Shah explained that this is a misunderstanding of the original story. It might be more accurate to say that reality is sometimes misunderstood - not that it is a complete illusion (something that is not there at all.)

    From a pragmatic perspective, how would the belief that the universe is a hologram benefit the believer?

    Would she find "truer" holographic love in a holographic universe?

    Would he find it easier to shed those last 15 holographic pounds and become a genuine holo-hunk on "The Holographic Diet"?

    Would his singing voice improve so that he would become the next holographic American Idol?

    Would her holographic stock market portfolio outperform the mundane market in general?

    Would he find a holographic cure for cancer?

    Would she invent the first holographic ansible, or a hollographic interocitor?(The andible and interocitor are both science fiction communication devices.)

    Whether the ghosts are mystical, metaphysical or holographic, they're not really real.

  • particlesnwaves5
    particlesnwaves5

    I don't know if I buy every thing in the book. But I thought it was interesting. I do like the fact that the author actually did some research and cites the work of other scientists to back up some of his assertions.

    I am also reading books about String Theory like The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene and his newest one, I am browsing at at the bookstore.( I always wait till things come out in paperback to purchase.) Brian Greene seems to be more rational that Michael Talbot. But in his latest book he does not negate the thought that aspects of the universe could be holographic in nature. I have never been into hard science but I do like to expand my mind and ponder it if it is broken down in a way I can understand it. I think alot of people would be more into science if it was made accessible and interesting.

    Here's one thing I don't agree with, (just in general, I don't think anyone here has said it) that there are things that could never be understood by humans. I think that is a smokescreen for a closed mind.

    For some people like myself, organized religion is a turn off, after being in the Witnesses. I guess I am searching for something spiritual to believe in that does have something substantial behind it. For a while I continued to believe that there is no such thing as an immortal soul. When you are dead that is it. But I don't believe that, anymore, either. In the physical world, nothing is ever destroyed. It just changes form. I think there is a world of consciousness in which the same thing is true. But I am not sure at this point how far I want to fly with that. I definitely think it is a more hopeful belief than thinking we all end up just being worm food.

    I would also like to hear what skeptics and others think about the subject. Thank you for making a new topic of it.

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    I have read the book,

    I don't think the author was trying to make a scientific case that the universe is a holograph, but proposed it as a point of view that explains many otherwise complex mysteries.

    I don't see the universe as a holograph, as we know holography. One of his points is that the smallest piece of the universe is reflected by and a part of the entire universe. We as individuals are not separate and independent but are "relatively independent sub-totalities", an inseparable part of the universe.

    The book is fascinating in that it presents many scientific studies of the mystical.

    Worth reading.

    Steve

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    Sounds like a lot of BS to me.

    Lets see here... particles are able to instantaneously interact across vast distances, THEREFORE the universe is a hologram.

    Yeah... right.

    Sounds like someone's imagination ran away with them.

    Oh, and regarding Disney being the first to grab on to such a technology... I think they would be second in line... after the Adult Intertainment industry.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    You're right, Elsewhere - the Adult Entertainment Industry would be ALL OVER thetechnology - literally!

    Think of the impact that would have on the silicone "appliance" industry, though - O the humanity!

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    So P&W, is it "disorganized religion" that you prefer? Please describe what element of "organized" religion you reject! (We probably agree) What would you retain given individual needs and collective sociatal needs! Or is it warm and fuzzy to take the Russell road of discounting "all religion"?

    carmel

  • particlesnwaves5
    particlesnwaves5

    <So P&W, is it "disorganized religion" that you prefer? Please describe what element of "organized" religion you reject! (We probably agree) What would you retain given individual needs and collective sociatal needs! Or is it warm and fuzzy to take the Russell road of discounting "all religion"?

    carmel>

    I just don't want to be a part of any religion but neither do I condemn it. I have friends who are religious and quite happy with their beliefs. I don't knock it because it gives them a sense of security and spiritual family. I believe a smattering of different ideas right now. I don't feel I quite fit anywhere but right now I'm not sure I want to. I do resist the indoctrination that seems to be a part of many religions and am striving to learn how to think for myself.
    As far as society goes, I think a person is obligated to treat others well, and have respect for the earth. Does that mean all should believe and worship the same? I don't think it is obligatory, for a culture to thrive. How about you?

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    NN

    Is that from his book 'the sufis'? Thanks.

    SS

  • SYN
    SYN

    Hmmm, thanks, I'm going to be using that in my next book! Fascinating! A little bit dodgy, but fascinating nonetheless!

    I really enjoyed the fish tank analogy...

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