Jesus Christ - The man who was raised from the dead

hooberus

This is the fourth thread in a recent series of posts on the fact that Jesus Christ is still a man.

The Watchtower claims that "the man" Jesus Christ did not raise from the dead, but remained forever dead (They teach that He was recreated as an angel). The Bible however shows that it was a "man" whom God hath raised from the dead.

"Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead." Acts 17:31

Narkissos

Good. Where is that man now? In Dad's palace in the Pleiades?

(Doesn't seem to be but it is a very serious question.)

Btw, I would not swear the WT ever said the resurrected Jesus was an "angel". A "spirit" perhaps... (1 Peter 3:18), or a "spiritual body" (1 Corinthians 15)...

stillajwexelder

The Watchtower claims that "the man" Jesus Christ did not raise from the dead, but remained forever dead (They teach that He was recreated as an angel). The Bible however shows that it was a "man" whom God hath raised from the dead.

Hooberus -- at long last we are in agreement -- a man not a God or The God or Almighty God that Almighty God raised -- no room for trinity crap here

Elsewhere

So this "man" was supposed to have floated up into a cloud... is he still tip-toeing around the clouds or is he in orbit... or did he just keep on going out into space? How long can he hold his breath?

gitasatsangha

indefinately, Elsewhere, as long as he is not exposed to any form of kryptonite.

FirstInLine

no room for trinity crap here

That's a pretty ignorant thing to say.

Satanus

Is he going to start posting soon?? Will he be visiting bethel, or jerusalem, or the vatican soon?? You are overestimating the body thing, hoob. Bodies in outer space, or that other spirit dimension are quite redundent, positively archaic, antineanderthal in thought, purely protocromagnon, dinosaurian even.

SS

Navigator

Saint Satan

As a matter of fact, he is posting. A summary of those posts is found in a document called A Course In Miracles. While I would agree that flesh bodies will be quite redundant on the "other side", we will all have bodies of some kind. There is no such thing as consciousness without some kind of form.

Dansk

Hey Hooby,

When the PO took my wife's and my study he told us that when Christ died the body he was resurrected with was a different body - so he had two physical bodies while on earth. We know he had the second body, the Plank Officer said, because no-one recognised him when he was resurrected.

"What happened to the first body?" I asked.

"It disintegrated", the Prat Official said.

Now, I'd never been able to come to terms with that. I mean, God can perform miracles but his son has to have two fleshly bodies. And, as flesh cannot enter heaven, Jesus had to dispose of his second body. Interestingly, how could Jesus have had a second fleshly body if it had holes in his palms/wrists, which he displayed to Thomas, which would only have been in the first body?

That aside, don't you think someone who has been resurrected from the dead, especially in Roman times where such matters would be recorded, would have had copious amounts written about him? Instead, there's not not one shred of evidence - not one historical document - that testifies to the account other than in the Bible. An event of such magnitude would have had reams written about it surely! Thousands would have flocked to see this resurrected man, if only to find out what potion he had been drinking - what elixir of life he'd been using.

How come Josephus doesn't give more than a few lines to any mention of Jesus? (As you know, those lines are not considered to be original by many critics). Outside of the Bible, where's the evidence?

Regards,

Ian

Freddy Krueger

-Dansk

Just some information on some "so called documentation". Whether it is reliable or true, I don't know. figured I'd post it for all to look over:

There are two scientific books about the life of Issa (Jesus) in the East and after the crucifixion. The first one is "A Search for the Historical Jesus. From Apocryphal, Buddhist, Islamic & Sanskrit Sources" written by Fida M. Hassnain (first published 1994 by Gateway Books, U.K.), the second one is "Jesus lived in India" by Holger Kersten. This German book is a thorough, methodical and authoritative examination of the evidence of Christ's life beyond the Middle East before the Crucifixion, in India and elsewhere after it. There is also an exhaustive research into Christ's travels after the Crucifixion, his arrival in India with the Mother Mary and finally his death and entombment in Kashmir.

This is a summary of both books:

The first step in Christ's trail after the Crucifixion is found in the Persian scholar F. Mohammed's historical work "Jami-ut-tuwarik" which tells of Christ's arrival in the kingdom of Nisibis, by royal invitation. (Nisibis is today known as Nusaybin in Turkey) . This is reiterated in the Imam Abu Jafar Muhammed's "Tafsi-Ibn-i-Jamir at-tubri." Kersten found that in both Turkey and Persia there are ancient stories of a saint called "Yuz Asaf" ("Leader of the Healed"), whose behaviour, miracles and teachings are remarkably similar to that of Christ.

The many Islamic and Hindu historical works recording local history and legends of kings, noblemen and saints of the areas thought to be travelled by Jesus also give evidence of a Christ like man; the Koran, for example, refers to Christ as "Issar". Further east, the Kurdish tribes of Eastern Anatolia have several stories describing Christ's stay in Eastern Turkey after his resurrection. These traditional legends have been ignored by the theological community.

More clues are drawn from the Apocrypha. These are texts said to have been written by the Apostles but which are not officially accepted by the Church. Indeed, the Church regards them as heresy since a substantial amount of the Apocrypha directly contradicts Church dogma and theology.

The Apocryphal 'Acts of Thomas', for example, tell how Christ met Thomas several times after the Crucifixion. In fact they tell us how Christ sent Thomas to teach his spirituality in India. This is corroborated by evidence found in the form of stone inscriptions at Fatehpur Sikri, near the Taj Mahal, in Northern India. They include "Agrapha", which are sayings of Christ that don't exist in the mainstream Bible. Their grammatical form is most similar to that of the Apocryphal gospel of Thomas. This is but one example giving credibility to the idea that texts not recognised by the Church hold important clues about Christ's true life and his teachings.

In tracing Christ's movements to India and beyond which have been gradually edited out of the modern Bible were originally Eastern in nature. Principles such as karma and re-incarnation, for example, were common knowledge then, and seem to have been reaffirmed by Christ. Imagine the implications that this discovery holds for Western Christianity and its churches, who have kept Christ in their doctrinal top pockets and have constrained the entire Western culture within the narrow teachings of blind faith, organised religion and original sin!

Further clues are cited from The Apocryphal Acts of Thomas, and the Gospel of Thomas which are of Syrian origin and have been dated to the 4th Century AD, or possibly earlier. They are Gnostic Scriptures and despite the evidence indicating their authenticity, they are not given credence by mainstream theologians. In these texts Thomas tells of Christ's appearance in Andrapolis, Paphlagonia (today known as in the extreme north of Anatolia) as a guest of the King of Andrappa. There he met with Thomas who had arrived separately. It is at Andrapolis that Christ entreated Thomas to go to India to begin spreading his teachings. It seems that Christ and Mary then moved along the West coast of Turkey, proof of this could be an old stopping place for travellers called the "Home of Mary", found along the ancient silk route. From here Christ could easily have entered Europe via France. He may have even travelled as far as the British Isles, for in England there is an ancient oak tree called the "Hallowed Tree" which (says local legend) was planted by Christ himself.

The historian Mullah Nadini (1413) also recounts a story of Yuz Asaf who was a contemporary to King Gopadatta, and confirms that he also used the name Issar, ie. Jesus. There is also much historical truth in the towns and villages of Northern India to prove that Jesus and his mother Mary spent time in the area. For instance, at the border of a small town called Mari, there is nearby a mountain called Pindi Point, upon which is an old tomb called Mai Mari da Asthan or "The final resting place of Mary". The tomb is said to be very old and local Muslims venerate it as the grave of Issa's (ie Christ's) Mother. The tomb itself is oriented East-West consistent with the Jewish tradition, despite the fact it is within a Muslim area. Assuming its antiquity, such a tomb could not be Hindu either since the Hindus contemporary to Christ cremated their dead and scattered their ashes as do Hindus today.

Following Christ's trail into Kashmir, 40km south of Srinagar, between the villages of Naugam and Nilmge is a meadow called Yuz-Marg (the meadow of Yuz Asaf, ie. Jesus). Then there is the sacred building called Aish Muqam, 60km south east of Srinagar and 12km from Bij Bihara.
"Aish" says Kersten is derived from "Issa" and "Muqam" place of rest or repose. Within the Aish Muqam is a sacred relic called the 'Moses Rod' or the 'Jesus Rod', which local legend says, belonged to Moses himself.
Christ is said to also have held it, perhaps to confirm his Mosaic heritage. Above the town of Srinagar is a temple known as "The Throne of Solomon", which dates back to at least 1000BC, which King Gopadatta had

restored at about the same time as Christ's advent. The restoration was done by a Persian architect who personally left four inscriptions on the side steps of the temple. The third and fourth inscription read: "At this time Yuz Asaf announced his prophetic calling in Year 50 and 4" and "He is Jesus -- Prophet of the Sons of Israel"! Herein lies a powerful confirmation of Kersten's theory. Kersten suggests that Christ may have travelled to the South of India also, finally returning to Kashmir to die at the age of approximately 80 years.

Christ's tomb lies in Srinagar's old town in a building called Rozabal. "Rozabal" is an abbreviation of Rauza Bal, meaning "tomb of a prophet". At the entrance there is an inscription explaining that Yuz Asaf is buried along with another Moslem saint. Both have gravestones which are oriented in North-South direction, according to Moslem tradition. However, through a small opening the true burial chamber can be seen, in which there is the Sarcophagus of Yuz Asaf in East-West (Jewish) orientation!

According to Professor Hassnain, who has studied this tomb, there are carved footprints on the grave stones and when closely examined, carved images of a crucifix and a rosary. The footprints of Yuz Asaf have what appear to be scars represented on both feet, if one assumes that they are crucifixion scars, then their position is consistent with the scars shown in the Turin Shroud (left foot nailed over right). Crucifixion was not practised in Asia, so it is quite possible that they were inflicted elsewhere, such as the Middle East. The tomb is called by some as "Hazrat Issa Sahib" or "Tomb of the Lord Master Jesus". Ancient records acknowledge the existence of the tomb as long ago as 112AD. The Grand Mufti, a prominent Muslim Cleric, himself has confirmed that Hazrat Isa Sahib is indeed the tomb of Yuz Asaf!

Further documentation comes from psychic messages like "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ", the readings of Edgar Cayce and Ramtha.

BOOKS ABOUT THE UNKNOWN LIFE OF JESUS CHRIST

The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ
Nicolas Notovitch

Jesus Christ - The man who was raised from the dead

BOOKS ABOUT THE UNKNOWN LIFE OF JESUS CHRIST

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