EX-JW's Fated To Quarrel.

by Englishman 14 Replies latest jw friends

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    It's almost 32 years since I left the JW religion. A bunch of us left around the same time, some were DF'd, some weren't, one or two went back into the witnesses over the years.

    One of the DF'd one's became re-instated and last year I had the pleasure of sending him the letter that we sent to every congregation in the UK, the letter that announced that the WT was an NGO and, incidentally, the whole shebang was full of paedophiles and you lot were going to be on telly nexy week in BBC's Panorama!

    I digress..

    Anyway, one thing quickly became very clear to those of us that were left. Just because we were ex-witnesses wasn't a guarantee that we were going to all get along together. Matter of fact, it was only the being a witness that gave us any common ground at all. Now that we were out, the common tie was gone. Simply being an ex was not enough reason for us to stay friends.

    Another factor came into play, one that was confirmed for me in the book "Emotional Intelligence" by Daniel Goleman. This was the simple fact that, although at the time we were all into our 20's and 30's, few of us had actually experienced a proper adolescence.

    Consequently, this resulted in most of us having had our maturation processes seriously impaired. We were actually just like squabbling kids much of the time, simply because we had not gone through the full process of becoming our own person and maturing through our mistakes.

    We'd always been told what to do, what to think. All our interactions with others were supplied from a text book or magazine. We'd never been left to our own devices, we'd never been allowed to flounder or swim and so learn from our experiences. In later years I learned that some members of the Armed forces have similar problems when they go back into civvy street, simply because someone else was doing all of their thinking for them.

    So back to why many ex's are fated to quarrel amongst themselves. I don't think that it's an endless thing for the individual, rather it's a necessary process that has to be worked through.

    I think that ex-JW boards will always have quarrels and spats from time to time as more newbies find their feet and want, for the first time in their lives, to be listened to.

    It's only when we stay rooted in this phase that problems can occur and maturation impeded. It's been my fortunate experince to meet many ex's face to face. Some of those who have been somewhat abrasive at one time, have later turned out to be wonderfully kind friends that I love dearly.

    But...it's a cycle and I think we'll always have flare ups.

    Englishman.

  • Fe2O3Girl
    Fe2O3Girl

    This is how I put it in a post on another board:

    I think that its because all individual opinions were repressed as JWs - we couldn't have our own ideas about politics, ethics or morality. We never really debated anything properly, we just all agreed that we were right and everyone else were morons/bird food. Paraphrasing the Watchtower paragraph and mocking other religions is not critical thinking.

    Some XJWs have not developed any further, they have their own opinions now, but if you don't agree, you are a moron. And possibly bird food too.

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    Good post Eman.

    I found it really difficult leaving the JWs for the reasons you stated. I couldn't get out a watchtower when I had a problem, I had to figure it out myself. This lead to a multitude of mistakes.

    I guess we should be tolerant around here and realise that we're all at different stages. I do like a good debate now and then though!

    Sirona

  • pudd
    pudd

    Very interesting post Englishman.

    I agree totally with your thoughts about people not maturing in the "truth". We all need to go though a prossess of growing up when we leave no matter how old we are.

    Then again, unlike when we are "in" we don't have to like everybody. so there will be some we do not get along with no matter how long we are out.

    Interesting thought Englishman.

    I totally

  • Winston Smith :>D
    Winston Smith :>D
    I think that ex-JW boards will always have quarrels and spats from time to time

    I've read alot of good things from you E-man...

    ...but this is WAY OFF BASE. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

    Well, on second thought, you may have a point

    This actually is a really good point.

    I have a few good friends in the area who are DF'd and we all cite a similar thing among ourselves at times.

    30 going on 17. How frustrating at times.

    Being a JW stinted our ability to carry on with a heathy level of critical thinking and dialog.

    With baby steps, I'm trying to get there...

  • Maverick
    Maverick

    I was going to write some smartalic response but thought better of it. You and I have met so I feel you would get that I was making a joke, but a lot of folks here think I am serious about all the stuff I write.

    And there in lies part of the problem. We only know each other by the words on the screen. There is no tone, no allowance for the personality, no looking into the face of the other fellow. Most of communication is non-verbal and we don't have that. And many times words fall short. You are like me and that we are witty, fun-loving characters, and love to throw out little zingers and see who is sharp enought to catch us. I think many here need more sex or something. If not that then maybe a high collonic! Maverick

  • cypher50
    cypher50

    I'm glad I am not the only one with this problem of feeling socially inept...other people around me find it so easy to start a conversation and I feel like a dumbass if I even open my mouth sometimes. Yea, some people don't bother with anything spiritually thought-provoking (and I am not just talking about Christianity when I say "spiritual") and I don't blame them considering that they are coming out of the WTS doctrines...but it seems like they don't want to let those of us who do believe in a particular religion be. Same goes for those overzealous Christians who post about how people are so wrong for not wanting to pursue Christianity further....some people have valid reasoning & evidence not to and some are just too hurt to trust any religion again. I think that being a Christian should mean that you would be empathetic to someone who has gone through the same type of situation you have...

  • Winston Smith :>D
    Winston Smith :>D
    I was going to write some smartalic response but thought better of it. ... ... I think many here need more sex or something. If not that then maybe a high collonic! Maverick

    Well thank god you refrained from making any wise guy comments there Mav. Well, at least in the 1st paragraph anyways I can't wait to meet many of the posters here in person someday. It will be a blast!!!

  • galaxy7
    galaxy7

    Another factor came into play, one that was confirmed for me in the book "Emotional Intelligence" by Daniel Goleman. This was the simple fact that, although at the time we were all into our 20's and 30's, few of us had actually experienced a proper adolescence

    That really hit home.I agree totally with your post.I knew there was a reason

  • shamus
    shamus

    My cat's breath smells like cat food.

    That's code for saying mkay.

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