The Slippery Slope

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  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Donkey

    I guess that soon the oil companies will be releasing those 100mpg carberators

    As long as there is a question of who will have the ultimate control of the caspian sea oil, there will be price jitters. I think the caspian oil is the real prize in the iraq affair. It has been on the minds of american energy moguls since at least when bill richardson was us energy secretary. Besides wars and political chicanery, there is the jockeying for position by the huge oil companies.

    Another energy source which has not even begun to be tapped is methane hydrates. http://www.fossil.energy.gov/programs/oilgas/hydrates/

    A methane hydrate is a cage-like lattice of ice, inside of which are trapped molecules of methane (the chief constituent of natural gas).

    This methane form contains more energy than regular methane.

    Today, methane hydrates have been detected around most continental margins. Around the United States, large deposits have been identified and studied in Alaska, the west coast from California to Washington, the east coast, including the Blake Ridge offshore of the Carolinas, and in the Gulf of Mexico.

    In 1995, the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) completed its most detailed assessment of U.S. gas hydrate resources. The USGS study estimated the in-place gas resource within the gas hydrates of the United States to range from 112,000 trillion cubic feet to 676,000 trillion cubic feet, with a mean value of 320,000 trillion cubic feet of gas. Subsequent refinements of the data in 1997 using information from the Ocean Drilling Program have suggested that the mean should be adjusted slightly downward, to around 200,000 trillion cubic feet -- still larger by several orders of magnitude than previously thought and dwarfing the estimated 1,400 trillion cubic feet of conventional recovered gas resources and reserves in the United States.

    Worldwide, estimates of the natural gas potential of methane hydrates approach 400 million trillion cubic feet -- a staggering figure compared to the 5,000 trillion cubic feet that make up the world's currently known gas reserves.

    This huge potential, alone, warrants a new look at advanced technologies that might one day reliably and cost-effectively detect and produce natural gas from methane hydrates.

    Why the new interest?

    If only 1 percent of the methane hydrate resource could be made technically and economically recoverable, the United States could more than double its domestic natural gas resource base.

    See also http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arch/11_9_96/bob1.htm or do a search.

    Beside this, is the biofuel technology. This could be turned into an industry, putting american and canadian farmers to work growing corn, or other suitable sources for alchahol based fuel. This also is currently latent.

    SS

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Methane hydrate has been found in various places off the coasts each side of america, and in some other coastal waters of the world. Mining it will, of course, necessitate new methods and some new technology. However, processing methods for making biofuel from corn and other crops are already 'on the shelf'.

    SS

  • donkey
    donkey

    Oops...

  • donkey
    donkey

    and again...rock on baby!!

  • donkey
    donkey

    $40 a barrel before you know it....watch and see.

    Next target $50 in 3 months...thats just a rough guess but I think it is quite likely.

  • donkey
    donkey

    anyone watching this yet?

    BTW if you really want to understand the model for supply prediction then check out http://www.hubbertpeak.com/

    Hubbert's model was successfully used to predict the decline in US supplies back in the 60's and 70's. It was amazingly accurate. In a nutshell I suggest this page on the site: http://www.hubbertpeak.com/summary.htm

  • Fe2O3Girl
    Fe2O3Girl

    A couple of years ago in the UK, refineries were blockaded by fuel price protesters, and pretty soon no supplies were getting to filling stations. The situation lasted a week or so.

    Once all the filling stations ran dry, some people started cutting other peoples fuel lines on their vehicles to steal fuel.

    There was panic buying at supermarkets, then there was panic cash withdrawal at ATMs.

    If there was a long term shortage of petrochemicals, society would change a great deal and it would be a very painful process.

    Biodiesel is a great idea; but what area of land would be needed to grow the amount of plants needed to keep up with consumption at current levels?

    Hydrogen vehicles are nice and clean in situ; but hydrogen production requires a lot of energy. Energy is produced at power stations run on.........fossil fuel.

    In the UK there is a lot of interest in wind turbines for energy production, but there are objections to this on enviromental grounds. In addition, there is a school of thought that since wind turbines cannot supply continuous energy, traditional fossil fuel powered power station will have to continue running, giving no overall improvement in emissions or petrochemical conservation.

    Which leaves us with the boogyman - Nuclear Power.

    Or, and this is a radical idea, I grant you, using less energy.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Petrol (gasoline) prices up here are running at about 87p/litre (£4 - $6/gallon), which I believe is about four times the cost in the USA.
    (I was shocked when the price went past the £2 - $3/gallon mark, in the late 90's. Afterwhich the pricing changed to "per litre" - a similar ploy to decimalization in the early 70's)

    Wind farms need consistent wind (ie not gusts), and have a limited life. Tidal generators look like the best bet for the future, for Scotland.

  • Fe2O3Girl
    Fe2O3Girl

    I remember (just) the headlines when petrol prices went up to £1/gall in the 70s.

    Having the price in terms of pence/L tends to dilute the shock.

  • donkey
    donkey

    Slippery is as slippery does...

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