The Memorial: Blasphemy or Monty Python Sketch? (page 2)

trumangirl

Elderwho that is a good point, i've never thought of it like that (only faded in the last year or so).

I got totally confused reading R Franz's books, about what the 'hope' of the great crowd was meant to be. Got that one on the 'backburner' of my shaky spirituality!

I will be going to the memorial this year (grin and bear the awkward questions). I always accepted the memorial (tho I felt guilty about not 'feeling' appreciative enough or anything). But I thought it was nutty how the MS and elders who did the passing round had to line up in a row and pass it along to each other afterwards. Also annoying how the speaker stays on the stage and tells us boring incidental details about the type of wine and bread they use. My hubby was an elder and he didn't do this, he sat in the audience when they were being passed round.

By the way I checked with him just now about DF'd ones, he said that definitely the policy is to include them. Must be a few errant elders who decide it aint enough to consign someone to tartarus, you gotta rub it in some more on the occasion we're supposed to be reflecting on God's love and mercy ..

trumangirl

my hubby was an elderberry,,, te he.

FlyingHighNow

For those of you hate the memorial but love spam, there is the spam lovers breakfast with spam, eggs, spam, spam and more spam.

Flyin'

trumangirl

Elder Eric

Satans little helper

all I said was that this fish tasted good enough for Jehovah

waiting

never thought about the above point.........thanks again to the quicker/better thinkers than myself.

The symbols of wine & bread were passed and partaken by Jesus disciples as expressions of salvation through Christ's death.

If jw believes in Christ....but refuses to partake, that person is then stating that they can get into Paradise without the benefit of Christ - and is refusing the Christ in favor of the WT organization. Thus, looking to the Watchtower Corp. for their own personal salvation.

Watchtower = The Antichrist - insisting (by example & teaching) that their followers refuse to accept the symbols given by Jesus.

Watchtower = The Antichrist also be applying the scripture "But Lord, where else can we go? You have the teachings of everlasting life." to themselves and not to Jesus (to whom the disciples were answering.)

Watchtower = The Antichrist also because they state in writing that the WT is "God's Only Channel to Mankind" instead of Jesus.

Of course, all this is only relevent if one's interested in the Watchtower, Jesus, & the Bible. And, of course, jw's are taught that there *were* many anti-christs in the first century. Don't believe they've come out with a teaching showing the continuing of anti-christs. Too dangerous for them?

waiting

Sunspot

***Soon the special night will be upon us, when millions of Jehovah's Witnesses

will gather together for the sacred purpose of merely passing around the emblems

of Christian salvation and rejecting them.** <snip>

GREAT POST, Metatron!!!!

hugs,

Annie

Nathan Natas

Hi waiting,

Just as an exercise, I'll try to answer each of the points you made in the manner that I think the WTS would answer them. I am not trying to be argumenative. I am not a Christian. I am an atheist. This is purely an exercise for me --

Watchtower = The Antichrist - insisting (by example & teaching) that their followers refuse to accept the symbols given by Jesus.

The Watchtower might argue that all the partakers in Jesus' day had the heavenly hope, and so there were none who did not partake. Today the number of "spirit anointed" Christians is dwindling as we approach the end of this system of things (any day now), so many congregations will have no "spirit anointed" members, being all of the "other sheep."

Watchtower = The Antichrist also be applying the scripture "But Lord, where else can we go? You have the teachings of everlasting life." to themselves and not to Jesus (to whom the disciples were answering.)

That conversation took place when Jesus was present on earth. Today he is represented by members of this "bride" class, who being "one with him" are his representatives in the visible realm. This thought is linked to the JW "Mystery doctrine" that has been discussed here earlier.

Watchtower = The Antichrist also because they state in writing that the WT is "God's Only Channel to Mankind" instead of Jesus.

Again, the JWs would appeal to their "mystery doctrine" - that they, as "spirit anointed" christians, are "one" with Jesus and that they share in the redemption of mankind. Jesus, according to this doctrine, is not the sole redeemer of mankind, but shares the work of redeeming mankind with the 144,000 members of his "bride." Those members of the 144,000 who are still on earth are a promised part of the "body of Christ".

FirstInLine

It's Black Mass.

MorpheuzX

When I was a good little JW, I always felt the visceral need to partake. Not because I thought I was better than anyone else or because I thought the 144,000 was a set and literaly number but because Jesus said to partake right in Luke 22:19 & 20; Mark 14:22 & 23; and in particular Matthew 26:26-28 where Jesus was explicit in his commandment to followers: "While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.""

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