In official JW think, is there anyone worse than an apostate?

by True North 25 Replies latest jw friends

  • Scully
    Scully

    sf writes:

    WT 15 Feb 2004 p16

    Guard Against Deception by Apostates

    6 Satan has long used apostates in his efforts to seduce God?s servants. (Matthew 13:36-39) Apostates may claim to worship Jehovah and to believe the Bible, but they reject the visible part of his organization. Some even return to the God-dishonoring doctrines of "Babylon the Great," the world empire of false religion. (Revelation 17:5; 2 Peter 2:19-22) Under divine inspiration, the Bible writers used strong words to expose the motives and methods of apostates.

    7 What is it that apostates want? Most are not content to leave the faith that they once perhaps viewed as true. Often, they want to take others with them. Rather than going out and making their own disciples, many apostates seek to "draw away the disciples [that is, Christ?s disciples] after themselves." (Acts 20:29,30) Regarding false teachers, the apostle Paul sounded this urgent warning: "Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry you off as his prey." (Colossians 2:8) Does that not describe what many apostates try to do? Like a kidnapper who carries an unsuspecting victim away from his family, apostates prey upon trusting members of the congregation, seeking to carry them away from the flock.

    8 What methods do apostates use to achieve their aim? They often resort to distortions, half-truths, and outright falsehoods. Jesus knew that his followers would be victimized by those who would "tell all kinds of evil lies against" them. (Matthew 5:11, Today?s English Version) Such malicious opposers would tell what is not true with the intent to deceive others. The apostle Peter warned against apostates who would use ""counterfeit words," spread "deceptive teachings," and ?twist the Scriptures? to their own ends. (2 Peter 2:3, 13; 3:16) Sadly, apostates succeed in "subverting the faith of some."?2 Timothy 2:18

    9 How can we guard against being deceived by apostates? By heeding the advice from God?s Word, which says: "Keep your eye on those who cause divisions and occasions for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them." (Romans 16:17) We "avoid them" by steering clear of their reasoning?whether in person, in printed form, or on the Internet. Why do we take such a stand? First, because God?s Word directs us to do so, and we trust that Jehovah always has our best interests at heart.?Isaiah 48:17,18.

    Thanks for posting this reference. I may need to use it in the very near future.

    Cheers, Scully

  • RunningMan
    RunningMan

    Well, we know for a fact that they like child molesters better than apostates. I don't think you can get much lower than that.

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    I was DFd for apostasy in 1980. I was 28.

    After a year, missing all my family and friends (raised in the "truth"), I asked to be reinstated.

    I gave the committee very evasive answers to their cross-examination about the FDS and WTS; and thanks to their cutting me so much slack, I spent another 20 years in slow and inexorable death, and was DFd again (2000) for apostasy.

    I'm not ordinarily one to dwell on what-ifs, but right now my anger is at high ebb, so I'll just say that my head was so far up my ass that I saw the world through my belly-button.

    "Anyone worse than an apostate?" Yes; any poor fool that lives over half his life in a pathetic wasteland of self-delusion, with fistfuls of ashes and disappointment to show for it.

    If it wasn't for the honest and caring and wonderful friends I've met via JWD, and my incredibly understanding and loving Kate...

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    Jesus, Mohammed, Galileo, Luther, Darwin were all viewed as "apostates".

    We're in good company.

  • Sunnygal41
    Sunnygal41

    Yes, although the last time I read the Society's explanation of the phrase, I was still left feeling confused............someone who sins against the Holy Spirit..........which may include Apostatoes.

    Terri

  • sf
    sf

    Cheers indeed.

    You know, I'm about to paste this in the yahoo jw room. Wonder if I can get it all up before I am booted out of room...lolololol.

    The portion here (is included on my yahoo profile):

    [ We "avoid them" by steering clear of their
    reasoning—whether in person, in printed form, or on the Internet. Why do we take such a stand? First, because God’s Word directs us to do so, and we trust that
    Jehovah always has our best interests at heart.—Isaiah 48:17,18. ]

    Oh, and I can answer for the majority of jws online, this question raised; as I'm sure will raised at the study meeting soon to take place:

    [ How can we guard against being deceived by apostates? By heeding the advice from God’s Word, which says: "Keep your eye on those who cause divisions and
    occasions for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them." (Romans 16:17) ]

    JW raising hand at meeting replying:

    "We steer clear by willingly and freely choosing to enter chat systems where we are sure to be able to associate with said ones; as we are doing Jehovah's will."

    The dynamic is that most online jws do not see it as 'associating with us'. They see it as FREE WILL TO GO WHERE THEY CHOOSE...regardless of WT instruction on such. As is very well witnessed EACH DAY on yahoo chat systems.

    Now, here I go with the paste. Hope some seeds get germinated here.

    sKally

  • JH
    JH

    2 apostates

  • xjw_b12
    xjw_b12

    In official JW think, is there anyone worse than an apostate?

    A whole nestful of them, like in an apostate web site? Like JWD

  • Golf
    Golf

    Gumby and his 'B' word!

    Guest 77

  • Hapgood
    Hapgood

    This is what I found in the Feb 8, 03 Awake page 13

    "Some people who were once faithful Christians have purposely drawn away form God, perhaps because of bitterness, pride, or greed, and are now apostate fighters against God's spirit. They willfully oppose what the spirit is clearly accomplishing. Have these individuals committed the unforgivable sin ? Jehovah is the final Judge. -Romans 14:12"

    Don't you just love how "Jehovah is the final Judge", yeah right LOL (it's more like the elders are our judges). Apostates are scum, there's nothing lower, we're not even fit to exist (according to jws). We are bitter, full of pride and greed, there is no other reason to leave the jws but that. That's how they see us. We are enemies of God, because we choose to speak against the WTS.

    Hapgood (proud to be an Apostate)

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