Covering up bathroom mirrors at the assemblies!!!

by nojudgement 54 Replies latest jw friends

  • Duncan
    Duncan

    Sphere said:

    We were overcrowded, and expected to wear dresses, dress shoes, stockings, etc. we were not alowed to wear comfy, non-complicated clothes. However that is not what those stadiums were built for, they were built for sporting events were there was a higher percentage of men to women, comfy clothes, and less children.

    Quite so. This link:

    http://www.crowddynamics.com/Queueing/ladies.html

    Will take you to an interesting article all about queuing theory as applied to ladies and mens toilet facilities.

    What it says in a nutshell is that it?s a well known fact that - for all sorts of obvious reasons - ladies take longer than men in the rest room. The article quotes ?worldwide studies? that show that ladies take on average 89 seconds to use the loo as opposed to 39 seconds for a man, almost two-and-a-half times as long.

    What?s not so well known is that, according to queuing theory and the phenomenon of clustering, this difference results in queue lengths not two-and-a-half times as long, but the SQUARE of that number: more than 5.

    In other words, if everything else was equal, you would expect the queues outside the ladies room to be more than five times longer than any queue outside the mens.

    But of course, everything else is not equal.

    To begin with, as Sphere notes, in a sporting facility there isn?t a parity of facilities to begin with, there?s usually a bias towards the expected male-dominated crowd. Secondly, with any family-based attendance, it?s usually the mother taking care of the needs of the babies and small children, which slows things up considerably. Lastly, as Sphere mentions, Witnesses in particular expect people to dress formally, which means more fussy, complicated clothing.

    All of which explains why you have such horrendous queues for the ladies at the assemblies.

    Now, you can?t blame the Watchtower society for being ignorant of basic queuing theory. Well you can, but it?s not fair to single them out. Ignorance of the dynamics of ladies and mens toilets-queues is overwhelmingly apparent everywhere, in all sorts of ?worldly? events ? pop concerts, country fairs, festivals, in fact at any temporary event where people are gathered and toilet facilities are provided. There?s ALWAYS a long queue for the ladies. Nobody is ever brave enough to plan for what is needed ? which is, in fact, two-and-a half times as many ladies toilets as mens.

    Just to achieve parity.

    What sets the Watchtower events apart is the sheer contempt for the poor sheep; the readiness to blame the individual; the anti-female bias; in seeing the problem and jumping to the (frankly insulting) conclusion that the vain and silly sisters must be spending too long in front of the mirrors.

    And then ham-fistedly trying to ?remedy? the problem by taping over the mirrors.

    Jehovah?s wise and oh-so-loving Organisation, eh?

    Duncan.

  • 3rdgen
    3rdgen

    Rules and Regulations provided a link to this 20 yo thread and I enjoyed it so much I wanted to bump it up again.

  • LostintheFog1999
    LostintheFog1999

    I just asked my wife about this. She said that in all the assemblies she attended in the UK and Ireland she never saw mirrors covered up in the ladies facilities.

    Mind you she did say that there were often long queues for the wash hand basins because young lassies were spending ages in front of the mirrors putting on their cosmetic warpaint in the mornings, before going out hunting for suitable single brothers. Lol.

  • 3rdgen
    3rdgen

    LostintheFog,

    Maybe it was just a US thing? But it was just one more thing that made Con-ventions inconvenient and it was irritating!

  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    LOST IN THE FOG:

    Sometimes a woman didn’t just want the mirror to ‘put on war paint’ 🙄 but to see that her dress was down, run fingers through her hair - and check that she wasn’t trailing toilet paper on the bottom of her feet!

    And ‘suitable single brothers’? That’s a laugh.

    I remember in the early years once trying to do this very quick once over in the bathroom of a circuit assembly and getting an evil look from some miserable sister changing a baby’s diaper. I was nowhere near her. She acted like I didn’t even have a right to be there.. Not my problem.

  • 3rdgen
    3rdgen

    Ha! Ha! LHG,

    It wasn't just sisters looking for Guys. Believe me, I saw and experienced plenty of Teenage and older Males trolling as well. One time a brother I had known years before in a different town came up to me at a DC and started flirting. He asked "Are you still married?" "Yes" I said, disappointed, off he went to find another possibility.

    Turns out he found an older sister and they married. His 3 years younger brother married her Daughter! This was about 30 years ago. I wonder if They are still married. LOL

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister
    I just asked my wife about this. She said that in all the assemblies she attended in the UK and Ireland she never saw mirrors covered up in the ladies facilities.

    Quite. I was absolutely gob-smacked seeing the thread title. Mind you, this "queueing theory" stuff is very interesting :)

  • TonusOH
    TonusOH

    TonyT: Lets see now ...smurfs are bad

    This made me smile. My older sister had a collection of Smurfs figurines, which we played with as if they were toys (they kind of were, made of a tough but slightly flexible plastic). One day my mother got rid of them. She later told some sisters that she had "done some research" and learned that they were "of demonic origin." This was not at all the case. But, the cartoon series did feature magic and JWs get pretty bent out of shape when anyone other than Jehovah uses magic.

    For the record, I don't think my mother did any "research" into the Smurfs. But I bet it sounded good to the other JWs to have someone act as an informed authority and confirm their suspicions that a popular cartoon was demonic. JWs in the 1980s seemed to find a demon behind every corner. Listen to the wrong music? Get demons! Read the wrong books? Get demons! Watch the wrong movies? Get demons! Stories of 'good' JWs who burned 'demonic' books, records, or toys were all the rage for a while.

    The 'Sparlock' video is such a toned-down version of that hysteria that it almost seems quaint, if the underlying idea wasn't so sinister.

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    The queue time reason is indeed correct. Where I was we used a facility which did have parity on the number of bathrooms but women do take longer and make a much bigger mess too so half the male bathrooms were used for females and it still had hour-long queues whereas males had lot smaller queues.

    The problem with queues is basic math, for when you double the load you have exponential growth in the queue length over time (more people join for every time unit than can go through in that time unit). People artificially adapt their behavior too, so opening more bathrooms actually grows the queue sizes, because if they appear shorter, you are more likely to join them.

  • NotFormer
    NotFormer

    John de Lancie: We are the Queue

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