Should We Form A Committee? (page 2)

Lady Lee

If I may I would like to make a few points about the building of KHs in a community - any community.

The WTS uses these buildings - especially the quick builds as promotions for how well organizaed they are and how loving and united. I don't see this building of a hall as simply another building but rather as one of their marketing schemes to convince people they have something better to offer than other mainstream religions.

The halls get noticed. The WTS makes sure it gets noticed and always of course in a favorable light.

The public needs to be warned of traffic and parking issues - that the building will not be like most other churches where everyone shows up once a week. Many halls now have 2, 3 or 4 congregations in it so that means meetings all the times. Parking spots taken off the neighboring arwa. Congestion. And what does the public get in return?

More JWs with their hidden pedophiles in tow knocking at their doors.

More people trying to suck people into a sales company masquerading as a religion.

A bigger drain on city resources and no taxes to pay for it except the public taxes

Lies and false promises.

People innocently getting involved and then losing their friends and family if problems arise.

Lady Lee

Oh and Min they've been yelling for years about how apostates are organized. Ha If they only knew how allergic most ex-JWs are to any kind of organization.

hey we could actually make one of their predictions come true!!! LOL And it would be because of thier own bad policies

Gadget

I think anything like this needs to have very clear and defined goals and terms of reference and agreement between the people involved over the kind of action to be taken etc ... before things are done.

I think Simon has a good point here, and as long as these were covered I'd help any way I could.

Nadsam

Dear Friends

As Noted by some so far the best intent would be to form some sort of startegy. My intention with this post is to just report my experiance. I agree that some kind of co-ordinated GLOBAL effort will send the message clearly......here it comes...the , BUT.....regarding any Email campaign >>> CAUTION .

Basic Email ISP rules & Law states

Email content may not be sent that contains material that may cause offence to others.
Email can be used by the Police or other competent authority for further investigation.
Your traffic over the Internet may traverse other networks, or use other services, which are not owned or operated by you, you must therefore abide by the terms and conditions imposed by the operators of those networks and services.
Any violations of systems or network security are prohibited, and may result in the Emailer facing criminal and civil liability.
ISP's investigate incidents involving violations and inform and co-operate with the relevant law enforcement organisations if a criminal violation is suspected.

Violations may include, but are not limited to, the following:

Interfering with any user, host or network including mailbombing (sending hundreds of copied/forwarded Emails. If the host server crashes due to vast numbers of incoming mails you are responsible for their losses.
Running an "open mail relay", viz a machine which accepts mail from unauthorised or unknown senders and forwards it onward to a destination outside of your machine or network. If your machine does relay mail, on an authorized basis, then it must record its passing through your system by means of an appropriate "received" line.
Send packets onto the Internet which have forged addresses
Sending Email to those that do not request it.

Finally regarding the POISON THAT IS EMAIL:

Its in the public domain, can be altered and then forwarded.

So dear friends , what I am trying to say here, is that any electronic campaign..especially email is a potential melting pot and could lead to disaster for senders as well as recievers. I speak from experiance. Sometime ago I had a small website with pictures of me, my pets etc..usual home stuff running from my computer as a small server. My dream was one day to start an online business.... On it I put my Email adress. BIG MISTAKE.

Firstly I was attacked by "a" (singular) spammer. Then I complained to my ISP and sent the spammer a very strong worded email...then I was suddenly mailbombed , recieving up to 1000 spams a day. Then followed several denial of service attacks, then followed several remote procedure call's (RPC)..In the end my ISP informed me that despite spam filtering etc I would still recieve about 100 unsolicted Emails a day and would I like to contact the Authorities...they explained that I now had a legal case and I could sue the senders of these unwanted Emails, with their backing..ALL OF THEM.

At that point my firewall was blocking up to 50 000 attempts per week.The situation is still not resolved but it seems the spammers are forgiving me as I only recieve abot 7000 hack attempts a week now.

So if anything I have said so far makes any sense to you then I would suggest that Emailing is some what different than the old fashioned hard copy complaint. Technology comes with a Bunch of laws and security and you never know who may object to what you say or what you send. It's one thing to vent online but another to send that message to someone you don't know wants it

Regards

Nadsam

Gadget

Good points Nadsam, but isn't that why its a good idea to have a committee to co-ordinate everything, instead of individual acting and perhaps inadvertantly over stepping the mark?

Nadsam

I'm all for a committee of sorts. I am just a little paranoid about Emailing.

Lady Lee

I see no reason why snail mail could not be used for some things

XQsThaiPoes

Here in the USA, I am not very interested in protesting kingdom halls being built. I am interested in exposing the behaviors of the group like the hiding the clear nature of the group, that it is a political party operating a publishing company, doing direct sales while evading sales tax. I am interested in protesting the tax free status for a secular multi level marketing corporation.
I have a problem with a totalitarian government (Watch Tower Inc, bda, God's Kingdom) operating visibly with impunity within a democratic government that goes to war to overthrow governments that are using the same techniques as the Watch Tower Publishing Inc. GaryB

You are not very democratic then. It is peoples right to have a totalitarian church/state party. Also I have been saying this for years most people including JWs act like they don't know what the word theocratic means. Also we are not doing direct sales the Jerry Falwell case broke us of that a long time ago. Unless there are campaign reform laws that went into effect (and boy a lot have since the election 2000 debacle) the watchtowers tax status is not effected because it prints political, or religious literature, for now it has not sponsored any candidates (we may in the future). There is nothing illegal about asking people to think a certain way by stacking the deck it is called propaganda. When our favorite catch phases is ?advertise, advertise the king and his kingdom? what do you expect?

I just wished people JWs mostly realized we have always been in a political party since Rutherford. Doctrinally we are just Unitarians Gnostics with a patchwork quilt of neo-hereticism for flavor. Our beliefs can be found as easily in a history books as a Watchtower. The Watchtower is the party (a fine one it is) not the religion. We are the opposite of the Wiccans who are a new religion claiming to be old, we are an old religion claiming to be new IMO.

garybuss

XQsThaiPoes, You wrote:

You are not very democratic then.

Never said I was.

XQsThaiPoes, You wrote:

Also we are not doing direct sales

And you don't go door to door and you are not building a new literature printing factory in Wallkill New York.

The Watch Tower Inc. is a government in search of a world to govern. It functions like a government, acts like a political party and looks like a book printing business.

DevonMcBride

Count me in!!!

Devon

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