Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?

by Larry 109 Replies latest social current

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  blacksheep

  as i said there are a handful of honest people who are actually interested in doing good for the population who get to the top. but you can count the number of those on one hand.

  But the ones who'll ultimately succeed are those who figure out what skills/abilities they can exploit in themselves. Maybe in a differenet job. But, life changes.

  with this you underline exactly what i am saying. survival of the fittest!

  You really ARE confused. You were talking about how US presidents will our only out for themselves; that they would knowingly let a 9/11 happen just to avenge an old vendetta. I say you are deranged.

  What I was talking about was FREE MARKET. The fact that we are not a socialist state. Two VERY different things.

  You are jumping all over the place to make some sort of point: I guess it is that US people, presidents in particular, would just as soon kill their grandmothers if it meant more money for them. Yes, the big corporations are out to get everybody. Go back to reading your Marxist books.
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  blacksheep

  So while I'm here with "peanuts" for tax breaks to buy new equipment or hire more people, my own government helps US companies ship jobs overseas. Why do companies do this? Because Wal-Mart literally sqweezes them for every penny. When I worked as a project engineer for Plano Molding (the tackle box people) our biggest customer was Wal-Mart. What Wal-Mart now does is take the best selling items they use to buy from Plano, Rubbermaid, Newell, etc., goes to China and has them make it for them. Does this fit in the realm for "free enterprise"? Sure does. But at some point there is also a sense of social resposibilty.

  So, are you complaining that, as a small business owner, you do not get comparable tax breaks that the big guys do? Are you complaining that these huge companies, but outsourcing jobs, can pay much lower wages and are not subject to the more strict employment laws of the US?

  Beyond that, where does "social responsiblity" end and a free market begin? How would you suggest we deal with the apparent inequities?
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  SixofNine

  Czar, you are pushing it. Look, America isn't going to tolerate the next Mcarthy, so don't plan on getting too far with your bullshit labels, asswipe. Your politics are not pro-American, they're just stupid, and mine aren't "commie" or "fascist".

  I'll thank you not to characterize me as a "filthy red", "anti-American", or "anti-democratic", as you are both very wrong, and a pissant fuckwit.
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  Realist

  blacksheep,

  You really ARE confused. You were talking about how US presidents will our only out for themselves; that they would knowingly let a 9/11 happen just to avenge an old vendetta.

  I guess it is that US people, presidents in particular, would just as soon kill their grandmothers if it meant more money for them.

  yes presidents like most people look out for themselves. its in our nature. we (some more some less) ignore what our actions mean to others. most robbers and murderers would not kill their grandparents in order to get more money...thats because these people are of importance to them. Himmler, Göbbels etc. were very nice fathers to their children...that does not mean they cared about outsiders.

  bush (respectively the people behind him) didn't instigate this war for a personal vendetta. they did it for hard economical reasons. it might come as a surprise to you but 99% of all wars are faught for economical reasons.

  What I was talking about was FREE MARKET. The fact that we are not a socialist state. Two VERY different things.

  i know you were talking about the free market. and nothing shows better human nature than the free market. the fittest survive...the disabled, handicapped, not so bright are left to themselves. the alpha males have the control. do you get the connection now?

  I say you are deranged.

  tsk tsk tsk
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  roybatty

  So, are you complaining that, as a small business owner, you do not get comparable tax breaks that the big guys do? Are you complaining that these huge companies, but outsourcing jobs, can pay much lower wages and are not subject to the more strict employment laws of the US?

  Beyond that, where does "social responsiblity" end and a free market begin? How would you suggest we deal with the apparent inequities?

  1. Stop the transfer of technology and know how to China. For example, the Chinese government demands that any foreign company that owns more then 10% of a Chinese company share with it all it's r&d information, production and sales know how, Know why? Because the Chinese want to manufacture it themselves. If you have time, check into one example of how GE got totally screwed on its attempt to sell the Chinese airplane engines.

  2. Realize that Wal-Mart is bad for the economy and nation. Yeah, you and I save 50 cents on toothpaste or a buck on a mixer but what is the effect of people loosing good paying jobs and are then forced to work at Wal-Mart, a company who doesn't pay for it's workers healthcare. When they need medical attention, you and I end up paying the bill. Guess which company 5 of the top 10 wealthiest people in American own a piece of??

  I'm not saying that the government set up trade blocks against China or move against Wal-Mart. Instead they need to enforce existing laws. Wal-Mart is allowed to use undocumented workers, they have violated child labor laws, etc but are allowed to get away with it. China is also allowed to break WTO laws.
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  blacksheep

  bush (respectively the people behind him) didn't instigate this war for a personal vendetta. they did it for hard economical reasons. it might come as a surprise to you but 99% of all wars are faught for economical reasons.

  I don't know why I even indulge your degranged rantings...perhaps because the more you speak the clearer your degrangement becomes, lol.

  So, where did you get teh 99.9% of wars are fught for "economical reasons?" And WHAT economical reasons do you feel explain the war in Iraq? Most libs are bemoaning the huge expense of the war. Gas prices are going up. Exactly how da'ya figure this war is for "economical reasons."

  BTW, I think it's pretty clear why some nations wanted to stay OUT of the war, i.e., France, Russia. Why spoil they great deal they had with Saddaam? THAT'S an example of political decisions for economic reasons.
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  blacksheep

  I'm not saying that the government set up trade blocks against China or move against Wal-Mart. Instead they need to enforce existing laws. Wal-Mart is allowed to use undocumented workers, they have violated child labor laws, etc but are allowed to get away with it. China is also allowed to break WTO laws.

  Are you talking about workers here in the US, or workers abroad? If they are here in the US, then I would agree with you, they should abide by US laws and be fully prosecuted if they do not. If we are talking about labor abroad, well, then that's a different animal. Are you suggesting we impose our US laws on other nations?
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  Realist

  oh poor simple blacksheep,

  And WHAT economical reasons do you feel explain the war in Iraq?

  can you at all fathom the possibility that some people, influencial ones perhaps, might profit from it? i guess you can't.

  obviously your mind is not capable of dealing with such irritating ideas. i have the impression that if you cannot escape into a religious dream world you escape in an ideological one. Good against evil. The US against the dark forces of arabia. and everything that threatens this ideological world seems deranged to you.

  apparently you don't know a lot about human/animal behavior and its interrelationship and influence on economics, you know little about sociology and history (at least of the middle east)....and sadly you are not interested in expanding your horizon.

  the real problem however is that people like you make it very easy for any leadership (you and the likes of you would just as easily follow the enemy side if you were born there). throw in a couple of big words like DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM, HOMELAND, GOD or ALLAH and you fools follow anything no matter how mad it is.

  i wish you the best and hope you and especially your children will not pay a high price for your gullibility.

  cheers
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  czarofmischief

  Czar, you are pushing it. Look, America isn't going to tolerate the next Mcarthy, so don't plan on getting too far with your bullshit labels, asswipe. Your politics are not pro-American, they're just stupid, and mine aren't "commie" or "fascist". I'll thank you not to characterize me as a "filthy red", "anti-American", or "anti-democratic", as you are both very wrong, and a pissant fuckwit.

  Mm-hmm... it does appear that your actual lack of character is being revealed. At least the communists have a genuine belief structure, flawed as it is. You are like a silent fart in the night: of no threat to anyone, but by god, what a stench of bitter defeat and rotting flesh! Everything is wrong in your worldview, you cannot accept the reality, you blindly and stupidly refuse to try to solve anything. Now open the window, FartOfMarx, and blow away.

  CZAR
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  Realist

  czar,

  did you ever read the manifesto or any other genuine communistic ideas? have you heard john lennons song IMAGINE? stalin and pol pot had NOTHING to do with the real idea of communism.