I had to copy and save it to my desktop, Terri. I'll read it when I can.
Flyin'
Fascinating article re: Harmonic Concordance
by Sunnygal41 33 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Puternut
Octavia,
Thanks for trying to explain. But I guess I am one of those that are of the untaught. This is all new to me, and I have to look into this further another time. There are so many unexplained things that I don't know if there is a 'human' answer for.
Puternut
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SixofNine
I don't think the author can support any of the things they speak so authoritatively about. But if they say it dogmatically, and with a straight face and an I-take-this-very-seriously tone, many people will assume they do have the authority and support for their tales. Classic con man modus operandi.
Honest scientist leave the spiritual to the realm of faith, and honest spiritualist don't need to sex up their beliefs with psuedo-scientific words like "cycles" and "vibrations" and "harmonics", all things which science can and does measure and quantify quite accurately, thank you very much.
I think the author is a predator.
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Abaddon
Firstly, anyone can believe what they damn like if it doesn't harm other people. Everyone has a right to an opinion.
However, I don't believe that beliefs are equal, and I don't think that anyone will seriously try to argue that they are. Believing that murder is wrong is a better belief than believing you shouldn't eat fish on Friday. Believing that women are equal to men is a better belief than believing women should cover their heads when praying in front of men. The list is endless; I don't subscribe to the trendy fuzzy notion that peoples' opinions are of equal worth as it's an amazingly dumb argument.
Of course, you don't have to care what I think and are free to ignore this post. I trust people will respect my right to an opinion just as I respect theirs . If you want the thread to be agreed with and validated, skip this and go to the next post.
With that as a given, I have to say I find that the harmonic concordance (which I'm pretty sure is the name of one of the Quincunx of Lylmiks in Julian May's books) is nothing more than mumbo-jumbo.
There is no 'notch' in the precession of the equinoxes that marks the starting point, all it is is someone saying that x points marks the end of the cycle. One could say y point marks it and be equally right. The 'Age of Aquarius' is based upon star-patterns that have shifted (due to their own movement and the precession of the equinoxes) since the concepts of the 12 signs (althougn apparently there were 13) were developed. Someone today ?born under? Sagittarius is probably ?born under? Scorpio, for example.
There is no 'truth' out there. 'Truth' can only be found 'in here' (i.e. in yourself) by giving your life meaning.
If what to me is mumbo-jumbo gives your life meaning, then hail and well met. I?m sure there are people who find my beliefs equally silly and incomprehensible. I don?t feel bad about this and I?m sorry if me feeling this way about others beliefs makes them feel bad, but I?ll not pretend; we all did enough of that back then.
Personally I find the idea of getting out of a cult and then making oneself a smorgasbord of various pseudo-religious beliefs, none of which have any factual dimension, well... rather pointless. But that's because it's meaningless to me. It might make everything make sense to you.
To me however, it's exactly the same as people who get out of a cult and seek the embrace of main-stream religion, or another cult, or a new-age group, or even politics.
Rather than looking within to solve problems or orientate themselves people look without.
There seems to be a tacit assumption along the lines of 'there is no smoke without fire'. People are so primed for belief in the supernatural, be that new-age smorgasbords or modernised views of traditional religions, or whatever, that when they exit from a believing environment the tendency is for many to assume that they still need to believe in something external as there 'must be' something external. After all, there ?must? be something to all this belief that mankind displays, it?s just be a question of finding the right one.
I say that the smoke (of belief) does not necessarily indicate the presence of any 'fire' (or supernatural). It's just the "mists of vapours that did seem to smother", the fog and mist of superstition and ignorance that have weighed down human minds for millennia. I think that over the next few generations that fog will clear an awful lot; after all, the 'modern world' is not even two hundred years old.
Black people couldn't vote in the USA a little under forty years ago. Women were (and sadly still are by some) not considered equal to men in rights until the 1970's. A political party tried to obliterate a race in the last world war as they were considered less-than-human. Hundreds of thousands of people were hacked to death by their neighbours in Rwanda 10 years ago because they were the wrong sort of black.
Given the fact people are still capable of such unfounded beliefs concerning entities they can touch, talk to and see, it's scarcely surprising that people can have such beliefs in entities that cannot be perceived, or believe that the postion on their birthdate of flaming balls of gas billions of kilometeres away that form patterns in the sky when viewed from Earth (although the stars in the patterns have no automatic association with each other apart from that given by our angle of view) actually means anything.
At least (most of the time) such beliefs do not harm other people, and may well enable those holding them to lead happy and fulfilled lives.
Again, I respect peoples' right to an opinion. It's just I just don't get the beliefs some people have. I can?t see the difference between Astrology and making a pantheon out of the Care Bears.
All hail the true god Harmony Bear!
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Sunnygal41
with psuedo-scientific words like "cycles" and "vibrations" and "harmonics", all things which science can and does measure and quantify quite accurately
Six..........so, first you call it pseudo-scientific, then you say science does measure it, so, which is it......is it false or not? Please clarify, as I find this comment confusing.
I think the author is a predator.
Six. A little bit paranoid, aren't we?
Abaddon, as my post indicated, if you are interested in this sort of thing, please feel free to respond, however, I didn't post this to have the article belittled. I would appreciate it if those of you who really don't find this stuff interesting, but want to use the opportunity to poke fun or show moral or intellectual superiority, just refrain from wasting time and thread space in doing so. I don't appreciate it. Usually, if I'm posting on someone's thread, I try to be kind, and respectful, but, some topics seem to turn some people into pirahnas on here, and it means absolutely nothing for you to assert that you are just stating your opinion and if I don't agree, then skip your post. Frankly, you are talking so loud that I cannot even hear what you are saying.
As far as my own understanding of the above subject, it is in the process of being formed. I am the kind of person who will look at most things openly and think about them, then try to see if they make sense to me.
So, don't get on my thread and break my balls just to stroke your own ego, okay?
Terri
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Sunnygal41
As far as the rest of you that were kind enough to respond...........thank you for doing so.........Thank you Elsewhere for the funny comment........and Puter and others for their honesty and above all kindness in comments made. When I'm in a better mood, I'll reread and make appropriate responses..........
Terri of the just not in the mood today for ego trippers Class
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Big Tex
So, don't get on my thread and break my balls just to stroke your own ego, okay?
Wouldn't think of it Terri.
I think I'm more in line with puter on this one. I've heard of harmonic convergence, is that similar? But I don't pretend to understand. Now if you want to talk harmonic concordance of the Dallas Cowboys getting a running game to go with their brand new quarterback well that's more my speed.
Chris
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frankiespeakin
Sun,,
I admit I am very sceptical,,,now that I have come out of the JW's and more recently,,, come to understand that jehovah nothing more than a myth.
I understand all of us desire to want to know what is both outside and inside us,,I still desire it but,, have come to more peace,,with learning how to lessen that desire,,, for even the zen masters say you can't find it by searching,,for it,,it just has to show itself to you when you are not looking. I think this is good way for me to work at cooling any desire to know. I try on purpose sometimes to be indifferent to this desire. Not easy,,,LOL
That is why I am curious,, but not very curious,, because if I stop looking(ego-driven) maybe it will come up from behind and kick me square in the but. LOL!
Anyway keep searching if you want,,, I wish you the best,,,but be careful,, and don't beleive what some claims to be true without enough proof. I think you are very clever,,, you will find your way,, may it not be too bumpy,,, green peace sista.
O and don't be to upset about Abandon he is really a good guy,, and is very good at discernment,,,,I think he meant no harm. He may be a little sensitive about these subjects because of his quick and very analitical mind,,, and if you can get past his up frontness,, maybe there may be something in his post that may help you. Just a thought??
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Sunnygal41
{{{Frankie and Chris}}}
Just feeling a little cranky today..there's a deluge comin' down outside right now........even my sunniness goes away from time to time.
Frankie......green peace right back atcha!
Chris, Convergence and Concordance I think are talking about the same thing..............and, you probably know more about those than I know about football!
Let me reiterate to all........the reason I posted this article was for some comments...........and maybe a bit of an exchange of ideas............I don't understand it totally either........but, I did find it very interesting and even fascinating. Quantum physics, as someone on the thread mentioned, is proving how little we do know about this area of our world...........I didn't want to get into a huge debate about anything..........just wanted to see what anyone else thought or had heard on this subject. That's the sum total of my purpose.
Terri
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SixofNine
Six..........so, first you call it pseudo-scientific, then you say science does measure it, so, which is it......is it false or not? Please clarify, as I find this comment confusing.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. What I said was:
honest spiritualist don't need to sex up their beliefs with psuedo-scientific words like "cycles" and "vibrations" and "harmonics", all things which science can and does measure and quantify quite accurately
What I mean is that if someone uses words like cycles, vibrations, harmonics, etc. that sound as if they are talking about things which have been or can be measured, quantified, falsified, and otherwise studied logically, when no such scientific study has been or even can be done on the rather non-specific things of which they are speaking with such assumed authority, then they are using psuedo-science to lend a false authority to their stories. This should give a sense of deja vu to ex-jw's.
A little bit paranoid, aren't we?
I don't think so. Have you read Pastor Russell's ideas lately? Somewhat different subjects (although both having to do with spirituality) but the exact same style of reasoning otherwise. We may know that Russell was talking out of his ass now, but he started a rather innocent seeming movement that went on to make my life pretty difficult for a very long time.