Fascinating article re: Harmonic Concordance

by Sunnygal41 33 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Sunnygal41
    Sunnygal41

    Six........okay, I can now follow what you were talking about, and can understand your concern, if these people are trying to mislead others with pseudo-spiritual and pseudo-scientific reasonings. But, we don't really know for sure. To tell you the truth, if you read my above clarifying statement, you can see where I am with this whole thread. I just wanted others that might be interested to check it out and see what they thought. That's all. I didn't tell anyone to believe it, or even that it was the truth. And, I can certainly understand why some ex-JW's would feel triggered by their experiences with the Society's brain washing techniques. Thank you for clarifying that for me. However, and I know this may stick in some people's craws, there are some things that we are now learning, for example, as I mentioned above, in the area of quantum physics that can blow our minds with new data on our universe and time and what we think is real as opposed to fantasy. I think we've only just scratched the surface, personally, of the possibilities, and I, for one, want to keep an open mind.

    Terri

  • Sunnygal41
    Sunnygal41

    Okay. So, I went to their website, and I think that we can negate the "slavering cult" aspect.......or any other sinister connotation. I guess this is their mission statement, since it's on their first page. I copied it and pasted it below and highlights are mine, btw:

    We will be sharing a lot of information on this Web Site that is pouring forth from the Divine Heart and Mind of God in the Realms of Illumined Truth. The Divine Intent of this information is not to negate or challenge our present belief systems, but rather, it is designed to enhance what we already know and to expand our Wisdom and Knowledge through greater levels of clarity and understanding.

    This is a critical moment in the evolution of this Planet, and it is imperative that each and every one of us listens carefully to the Divinity pulsating in our hearts. We at the New Age Study of Humanity?s Purpose do not want you to ever accept something as Truth just because someone told you it is true. Our heart?s desire is that you read all of the information presented in the various sections of our Web Site as food for thought. Then, take every word into the Flame of Divinity in your heart, and ask the Presence of God abiding there to reveal to you only the Truth that is in alignment with your individual Divine Plan...the Truth that willset YOU free.

    Read every word through the eyes of Divine, Discerning Intelligence, Common Sense and Reason. If anything doesn?t resonate as Truth in your heart, just let it go.

    Accept the information that does resonate as Truth in your heart as a Sacred Gift from God given to you in Love, at this moment, to assist you in improving the quality of your life during the most glorious Awakening and Rebirth the World has ever known.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    Six........okay, I can now follow what you were talking about, and can understand your concern, if these people are trying to mislead others with pseudo-spiritual and pseudo-scientific reasonings. But, we don't really know for sure. To tell you the truth, if you read my above clarifying statement, you can see where I am with this whole thread. I just wanted others that might be interested to check it out and see what they thought. That's all. I didn't tell anyone to believe it, or even that it was the truth.

    Good I think it's a huge load of bullshit, that's all.



    I'm curious why you think this would "stick in some people's craws"? Do you mean in the way some people are bothered by advanced understanding of evolution?

    The language you quoted on that web-site is earily reminicent of early Russell. Of course, I tend to believe Russell really believed his own crap, so perhaps "predator" was harsh, but no hyperbole to great in keeping my li'l apostasheep safe!

    Six~gather you unto me class

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Six:
    Words such as "cycles, vibrations, harmonics" have been used by mystics (like the Rosicrucians) for several hundred years, and by other groups for far longer.

    Just because the religion known as "Science" also uses them, doesn't mean that they don't have esoteric meanings, too.
    The context seemed pretty plain to me.

    Sunny:You have nothing to apologise for.
    You posted in good faith, but some folks can't see where it's unnecessary to do battle.

    An interesting site. Thank you.
    It's a little wordy, and at times "fluffy", but what philosopher wasn't?

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    Hi Terri,

    Look, you say "I didn't post this to have the article belittled."

    You also say you're putting that info up for "comments...........and maybe a bit of an exchange of ideas".

    Well, unfortunately the comment I made is that there are misleading scientific statements in that post. That is a simple fact.

    I don't feel that belittles your post. It's not your fault you didn't know it was misleading. It's not my fault the information is misleading, it's the fault of the people who wrote it. I doubt if you're seriously going to argue that you'd rather not know they were making misleading statements, as the fact you got out of a cult indicates you're not like that. If you were, you wouldn't be here.

    You might not like me doing it, or the way I do it; but I made it clear I had no bones with anyone who found comfort in it;

    If what to me is mumbo-jumbo gives your life meaning, then hail and well met. I?m sure there are people who find my beliefs equally silly and incomprehensible. I don?t feel bad about this and I?m sorry if me feeling this way about others beliefs makes them feel bad, but I?ll not pretend; we all did enough of that back then.

    I also exchanged ideas; for me the fact that, in what (to me) is a Universe without a plan or meaning one can create meaning and reason is one of the most wonderous and exciting concepts there is. Like I said; the 'truth' is in here (taps head), and I don't mean that my head contains universal truth (unless I am really really stoned and then I never remember it afterwards), but that for each of us 'truth' is found within.

    You might not like my assertion that perhaps all the beliefs in the paranormal et. al. are just mumbo jumbo and the fog of ignorance, but you know as well as I do that the exchange of ideas includes hearing ones you don't like. I am not just being critical though;

    At least (most of the time) such beliefs do not harm other people, and may well enable those holding them to lead happy and fulfilled lives.

    You say;

    So, don't get on my thread and break my balls just to stroke your own ego, okay?

    Firstly, you have no balls (at least not physiologically, althopugh metaphorically I am sure you have massive cojones). Secondly, this isn't about my ego. I know something you don't (regarding the precession of the equinoxes). How? I got it out a book, essentially, just like people get much knowledge. This means there is no big deal me knowing it. Yay for me I read something in a book...

    Knowing something isn't (or shouldn't be) about ego, it's about knowledge. Knowledge to me is a joy to be shared. To ask me to sit by whilst uninformed and deceptive statements are made is torture.

    I know Terri, that you have no ill-will in posting this stuff, but you have to accept that if you post stuff, be it about baseball, fly-fishing or the paranormal that is inaccurate people will respond pointing out that innaccuracy. Some others might say 'oh, it's not neccesary', and I'm happy to validate their right to an opinion whilst reserving my own. I think if you don't fight the thin end of the wedge you find that by the time you do take action, the unpleasently wide end of the wedge is stuck somewhere uncomfortable and inconvenient.

    I'm sorry it upsets you; some people would get upset in a debate about statistics and baseball if they were shown to be in error, but would that mean them asserting something misleading about Babe Ruth should go unchecked? Nope, and the same is true with other subjects too.

    It may seem like I go at things like a rat with flick-knife at times. But it's only when people start making demonstrably inaccurate statements or using dodgy loaded language that this normally happens. I don't think this was an occasion I got carried away.

    Now the next block of text is an absolutely wonderful example of what curls my nostril hair... I really don't know how people expect drivel like this to be dealt with; you don't kiss cockroaches, do you? You stamp on them (or Stamp on them, see below).

    We will be sharing a lot of information on this Web Site that is pouring forth from the Divine Heart and Mind of God in the Realms of Illumined Truth.

    Someone seems to Think that Innappropriate Capitalisation somehow Adds to the Authority of what they are Writing. And have We all learnt our lesson about those who speak of Truth with the big T or the definate article?

    The Divine Intent of this information is not to negate or challenge our present belief systems,

    Ha! A bit like saying that Humpty Dumpty is not meant to negate or challenge our present belief systems; they haven't presented anything that COULD "negate or challenge our present belief systems".

    but rather, it is designed to enhance what we already know and to expand our Wisdom and Knowledge through greater levels of clarity and understanding.

    I was expecting that to be Clarity and Understanding. So far, no data, just badly written self-angrandisement. Bit like a Watchtower article.

    This is a critical moment in the evolution of this Planet,

    This is the same claim made by countless people who want you to do something now. With the Dubbies it's knock doors now the world is going to end soon... honest, anytime now... in a minute... won't be long now... sorry to keep you waiting... when we said, "in a minute", you didn't think we meant actual minutes did you?... (continue ad nasium)

    What makes these guys different, either in veracity of claim or agenda? Maybe we should go to their conference to find out http://www.1spirit.com/eraofpeace/congress.html ; it's a bargin at $1651.00 per person. As the rooms cost $475.00 per person for the five days (yes, I went to the web site of the resort, yes, being this cynical is a pain in the ass for me too sometimes), I'm sure the $1,000 + each person attending could bring will indeed be a Critical moment in the Evolution of someone else's Bank balance. Just because they are sincere doesn't meant that they are;

    1. Right
    2. Not making $$$$$

    I would love to run a conference like that. Get in a few dozen peole and take the rest of the year off to Delve deeper in to the Relams of Illuminated Truth (or Cancun).

    and it is imperative that each and every one of us listens carefully to the Divinity pulsating in our hearts.

    Or listen to the person writing this, as Obviously they have divinity, sorry, Divinity pulsating in the parts that some of us don't even have parts...

    We at the New Age Study of Humanity?s Purpose do not want you to ever accept something as Truth just because someone told you it is true.

    Just as bloody well.

    Our heart?s desire is that you read all of the information presented in the various sections of our Web Site as food for thought. Then, take every word into the Flame of Divinity in your heart, and ask the Presence of God abiding there to reveal to you only the Truth that is in alignment with your individual Divine Plan...the Truth that willset YOU free.

    Unfortunately the flame of divinity in my heart says this is humbug, humbug and, not to put too fine a point on it, a load of manky bollocks. They even said "the Truth that will set YOU free"!!! Agrh!! Loaded language and inappropriate capitalisation.

    Read every word through the eyes of Divine, Discerning Intelligence, Common Sense and Reason. If anything doesn?t resonate as Truth in your heart, just let it go.

    Yea, verily, I shall seize by the throat and choke all that resonatith not as Truth until proved wrong or until I am knocked insensible by a fast moving herring. Oh my god, this stuff is Catching...

    Accept the information that does resonate as Truth in your heart as a Sacred Gift from God given to you in Love, at this moment, to assist you in improving the quality of your life during the most glorious Awakening and Rebirth the World has ever known.

    I will hold the truth that 'there is a sucker born every minute, but I'm not falling for this malarchy' very close to my heart, don't you worry.

    I have no issue with you Terri. I simply don't believe in stuff you believe in, and maybe have well developed and informed ideas about some subjects you are perhaps only just exploring. That doesn't make me or you a bad person. Telling someone who's not seen snow before not to eat the yellow snow is normally considered a favour...

    All the best

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    Just because the religion known as "Science" also uses them, doesn't mean that they don't have esoteric meanings, too.
    The context seemed pretty plain to me.

    C'mon Ross, you know all I'm looking for honesty.

    This rare event took place during the Lunar and Solar Eclipses in
    November 2003. The grand cycles involved included Earth's transition
    from the 2,000-year Piscean Age into the 2,000-year Age of Aquarius
    and the culminating of the 26,000-year orbital cycle known as the
    Precession of the Equinox.

    That's not using the word "cycle" for it's "esoteric" meanings, whatever those might be. I could pull several other examples out of that essay.

    Nice "keep-em-in-the-dark-ages" style jab at science btw. But from what I know about you, that isn't even your belief about science; I don't know why you'd want to go there?

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    Having read this through I don't personally think that this is very significant. I think it is someone's opinion of the effect of these astrological events. Of course, they're welcome to their opinion, but I don't believe in it.

    I observe equinoxes and solstices, not because I think that they have "power" but because they symbolise a truth. I don't believe that at an equinox there is more power flying around the earth. I do however believe in the effect of the moon on the earth and that we are affected too in very subtle ways. Mostly I see the moon phases as symbols and I use them to structure what I do (e.g. start things at new moon, rest in the dark of the moon, etc)

    Sirona

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Six:
    My beef is simply that that style and usage of language is common in esoteric circles.
    I wasn't arguing for or against the statements made.
    Personally I'd be prone to take them at a philosophical level, as I mentioned.

    The "Age of Aquarius" is a common theme in these circles.

    Besides, even if it is fantasy it's not hurting anyone, as long as they don't get bound into the cult groups that live like fleas on this kind of stuff.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Ab,

    I noticed that too,,the room rates were a little high.

    I think it wise after falling victim to the WT claims to speak for god,, that we challenge anyone claim to speak for god,,,if god's feeling get hurt well then he ain't much of a god.

    My motto from experience:

    If God wants to tell me something, let him tell it to me personally,, no,, middle men,,too many things go wrong when you take someone's word for god's word.

    And God?,, if you're out there in cyber space this is for you:

    If you got something to say to me,, say it to,, me,, I will accept no middle men,, if you can't follow that,, then just shut your piehole. LOL

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Sheesh... "How to Encourge Communication With Incorporeal Entities 101", from Frankie...

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