Why Do We Feel? *Human Emotions & Evolution

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  • dh
    dh

    if humans evolved in darwins theory of natural selection and survival of the fittest, what would have caused our emotional feelings to come into being?

    is emotion a part of human survival that it would be a necessary thing to evolve, in a prehistoric world was emotion part of a mating process? or is it only explainable if we say it's a gift from god, and therefore we were created? or is emotion the soul?

    to my understanding emotion serves no other purpose that to add colour & distraction to our pointless pointless lives, i say this because how much meaning would your life have if someone removed your emotions right now?

    i also think in the supposed world where man evolved from apes, it would actually be a weakness and hindrance to our survival

    my questions are...

    if we evolved, why do we feel and have emotions?

    ...and if we didn't evolve, why do we still feel and have emotions?

    .

  • asleif_dufansdottir
    asleif_dufansdottir
    to my understanding emotion serves no other purpose that to add colour & distraction to our pointless pointless lives,

    Nope. As a matter of fact, some researchers believed that emotion is adaptive for humans. Emotions and bonding with other humans helped our ancestors increase their chances of survival and procreation.

    *Try searching for information on emotion and psychological anth or evolutionary psych (intro level texts for undergrads would be a good source for the basics of current understanding).

    Here's one good site, with a list of books, one in particular dealing with emotions (the main site, aaanet, is the american anthropological association):

    http://www.aaanet.org/spa/cupbooks.htm

    Edited to add link to this article

    http://www.psych.ucsb.edu/research/cep/emotion.html

    *Edited one more time to suggest also looking under emotion and cognitive anthropology as well as psychological anthropology (distinctions of fields of study within anthro can be...vague)

  • somebodylovesme
    somebodylovesme

    I highly recommend reading E.O. Wilson's "On Human Nature" and Robert Wright's "The Moral Animal" - plus anything by Steven Pinker -- they are foremost researchers in sociobiology / evolutionary psychology. I've read the first two books listed and they changed the way I view everything. Good reads, good for those without a lot of scientific background, too.

    SLM

  • asleif_dufansdottir
    asleif_dufansdottir

    Ah, yes...E.O. Wilson... one of the gods of environmental sciences...my husband (the Ecology PhD student) always says that Wilson is not cited by ecologists, he is invoked with incense and candles He is great.

    Now might be a good time to mention that there is not a consensus (to put it mildly) between biological scientists, social scientists and bio-social scientists on the relative importance of biology in human behavior. Even in my field, anthropology, there is a big split between those who think that behavior is almost totally biology, and those who think that biology has an influence by but "nurture" has much more. Most fall somewhere in the middle. It's certainly not an exact science. The debates will likely carry on long after we're all dead and buried.

    It's like in the thread on Noah's ark...people can look at the facts and interpret them differently. Sometimes what is "fact" is even in question (since we can't experiment on humans, we have to learn by observing them and try to figure out why they do what they do).

    So, to get a well-rounded picture of the influence of human emotions and evolution, it's important, when you're reading the different books and articles on the subject, to keep in mind that each of these researchers is viewing the evidence from their own particular mindset. Try to look at different arguments and form your own conclusions.

    *Me and all my editing! I forgot to say that some people get frustrated by the academic debate - they just want the "right answers"...but I think the best way to approach these subjects is to look for illumination from different 'sides' in the debate rather than "right answers."

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    since we can't experiment on humans

    I call this the great irony of evolution, lol.

  • somebodylovesme
    somebodylovesme

    asleif_dufansdottir - I agree. I particularly like the evolutionary psychology approach, but I know it is very controversial. I am not in a scientific field... I'm off in the happy land of liberal arts, where any talk of biology is scorned like nothing else. Heaven forbid our genetics play ANY role in the way we are... hmmmmm...

    I've read many books for my own field from the "socialization is everything" camp... and while I agree with some aspects, I personally am more inclined to fall on the biological side of the argument. But that's just me, and many people who are much more educated, I'm sure, think differently. To each their own!

    SLM

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    ...where man evolved from apes.... another dipstick not quite long enough to reach the oil...

    carmel

  • asleif_dufansdottir
    asleif_dufansdottir
    ...where man evolved from apes....

    We did not evolve from apes. We are apes.

  • Corvin
    Corvin

    Great thread!

    Evolution? I dunno. Emotions are much too complex in nature to be a random thing we acquired somewhere between our evolving from a chimp to a piltdown man.

    Understanding emotions is the key to knowing just how important they really are, not just to our survival, but also the quality of our lives.

    I really don't need an advocate of the theory of evolution to explain to me my God-given emotions.

    For example; when I am angry, I just know instinctively that I had to feel hurt first. Why did I feel hurt? Maybe someone said something or did something that violated the standards I hold for myself. Anger is a secondary emotion to hurt and most people let it kick in like a drug to numb them from feeling the hurt. Anger is addicting and makes us feel powerful instead of vulnerable. Hurt or anger tells me that I need to go to the person who hurt me and ask if it was their intent, or if I might have misunderstood what they meant. If is was not intentional, I can let go of the hurt and anger, and learn something . . . ie, grow.

    If I feel lonely, I know it is because I am not doing enough to reach out to other people.

    When I feel frustrated, I know I am on the verge of a breakthrough, so I keep trying.

    When I am happy it is because I am getting good results in my life and I should keep on doing what I am doing.

    All of my emotions, positive or negative, serve as signals to my brain telling me I need to take some sort of action, make some kind of decision. The trick is listening to those emotions no matter how scarey.

    It is funny that men, while completely capable of displaying a full range of natural emotions, seem to be tied to just a couple. Agression and anger is the main two I was thinking of . . . then we have the state of being drunk where we cry to our buddies and finally tell them how much we love them. How sad is it that we are not allowed to express those emotions while sober.

    If our emotions were a product of evolution, it seems to me that after all this time, we would all have mastered them by now . . . we would be teaching our sons and daughters to master them . . . instead of running from them, ignoring them or denying them altogether. Speaking of men only, we are so emotionally impoverished and past due for a good psychic enema. Part of the sickness in the WTBTS is that there is not nurturing of true love and emotion.

    Listen to your emotions, or atleast try to understand what they are trying to tell you. They are not just essential for survival, but they are the very life blood of our growth, the chemical urging of our brains to take positive action; emotions are the very quality of our relationships with other people, which in turn is the very quality of our lives.

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek
    if humans evolved in darwins theory of natural selection and survival of the fittest, what would have caused our emotional feelings to come into being?

    That question almost answers itself. For a trait to be selected, it must carry a survival advantage. Humans who didn't get upset when they were cold and had no food didn't last very long. Nor did those who showed no fear of wild animals. More complex emotions and scenarios probably require more complex explanations, but I think the principle is sound.

    is emotion a part of human survival that it would be a necessary thing to evolve, in a prehistoric world was emotion part of a mating process?

    Without emotion, there would be no reason to pick one mate over another, or indeed to mate at all.

    or is it only explainable if we say it's a gift from god, and therefore we were created?

    That's not an explanation. It's an admission that we don't know the explanation, and a rather lame excuse for giving up on finding one.

    or is emotion the soul?

    If you want. The term "soul" has no real meaning so you can feel free to define it any way you want.

    to my understanding emotion serves no other purpose that to add colour & distraction to our pointless pointless lives,

    In a way you're correct. Wanting to behave in a certain way (broadly speaking, to maximise pleasure and minimise pain) compels us to behave in that way. Usually, this corresponds fairly well with what is necessary for us to survive and reproduce; but beyond that, there's no obvious "point" to anything.

    i say this because how much meaning would your life have if someone removed your emotions right now?

    None. I wouldn't care if I lived or died, and dying's easier, so without outside help, that's what I'd do.

    i also think in the supposed world where man evolved from apes, it would actually be a weakness and hindrance to our survival

    An emotional attachment to a sexual partner and any progeny is a good thing, if not for survival of the individual, then for reproduction, which in the long term is far more important. Fear of predators is a very useful survival trait. Dislike of hunger, thirst, tiredness etc. causes the individual to try to alleviate those conditions, ensuring their survival.

    if we evolved, why do we feel and have emotions?

    I hope I've answered that. The short answer is, because there is a survival advantage to it.

    ...and if we didn't evolve, why do we still feel and have emotions?

    Well, I think we did. But if we didn't then the answer to that is the same as the answer to any other question about the universe: because God said so.

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