I just had a 40 minute discussion with two jw's. I told them I really can't believe Jesus was ever an angel. I showed them Rev 22:12-21. I told him that clearly states Jehovah and Jesus are both called Alpha and Omega. Then I talked about how it says not to add or take away anything from the bible. Then went to John 1:1. Then opened my Kingdom Interlinear Translation my father sent me and showed him how it was originally translated. The woman was totally dumb, but the guy kept wanting to talk to me. They want to call back on me and I said fine!!! PC
JW's just called on me.
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A Paduan
Stick with the "changing the bible" thing - there's many more examples.
Hey, anyone got examples ?
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robhic
(Exo 3:14) And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. (Luk 23:43) And he said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To-day shalt thou be with me in Paradise. (comma after "thee" is moved in NWT.) (Joh 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (NWT adds the letter "a".) (Joh 8:58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am. (Rom 8:11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwelleth in you, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead shall give life also to your mortal bodies through his Spirit that dwelleth in you.(Heb 1:6) And again, when he brings his firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him." [See NWT 1961 ver.] (In newer NWT it uses the words "do obesiance to" instead of worship.) (Heb 1:8) but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. (moving commas again...)
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zigthink
Theyre hoping that with persistence they can bring you to see the truth.
Little do they know.
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pc
I was laughing to myself because if they had walked in to my study they would have seen
COC, Christian Freedom, Kingdom of the Cults, etc.etc. LOL!! pc
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pc
They also said that the JW's are humble because they have changed things when they received new light. They said" the other churches never change anything".
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zigthink
I think the problem is the terms in which they couch their original statements about the things that will occur. And When they will occur.If they were not so absolute in their statements, they might not be so reprehensible.
(How do you prevent this format from always starting a new pargraph every time you press the space bar?)
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Pork Chop
Proskuneo is accurately translated as "do obeisance" while translating it as "worship" is based on interpretation that worship is 'implied' by the term which is much less satisfactory.
1. to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
2. among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
3. in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank
a. to the Jewish high priests
b. to God
c. to Christ
d. to heavenly beings
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natalienu
Stay strong and always keep the ball in your court.
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LoverOfTruth
Here's a discussion I found recently - Between a JW and some Ex-JWs