by Simon 398 Replies latest social current
No, ANYONE that intentionally targets and kills innocents, especially in this manner...is a terrorist.
The Allied Forces deliberately targeted German civilians in World War II. But I suppose since they were German they weren't innocent, not even the children.
What about people who drop bombs and blow them up due to incompetence, carelessness or just lack of common bloody sense? Are they terrorists too then Yeru?
Simon,
If you can't see the difference, I can't help you.
Who says I need your help?
The fact is Yeru, you have some MASSIVE blind spots.
To you, Israel can kill and maim without a whiff of criticism whereas the reality is that BOTH sides commit terrorist acts.
America is just the same, it can do no wrong in your eyes and yet the painful reality that you cannot accept ... is that it does wrong.
i must be sleeping under a rock, as someone just told me about this today......thought id jump on the board knowing there would be an outrage thread about it.
all i have to say is that this is absolutely disgusting, and all parties involved in any way should be prosectued to the fullest extent. i havent sifted through all 8 pages, so this might be somewhat repetitive.....i just read that rumsfeld condemned the acts, calling them "totally unacceptable and un-american"....i couldnt agree more. im not sure what the maximum penalty for this type of behavior is (again, maybe this has already been discussed), but i would hope that at the very least theres jail time involved.
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yeru,
You've revealed what your problem is, you lack moral clarity.
this coming from you is at best laughable.
i suppose an israeli helicopter fireing on civilian targets or the israeli army destroying homes and farmland is of course an act of justified revenge in your universe. so was the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians in the two atom bomb droppings!
Realist you said- The Kurds were killed because they were in a battle zone wrong. 3500 Kurds were killed by saddam also wrong try 150,000. 3500 Kurds were killed in one town with poison gas one morning before breakfast. Saddam wanted to rid his country of Kurds altogether.
As far as I am concerned our Countries make decisions to safeguard our security and as a member of the community I support there decisions. Sure bad things happen on all sides bad things happen in our own countries too.
As a general statement here as we deal with the muslim world the root cause is insoluble- the failure of Islamic radicalism and the success of the West. You wont solve it by closing every Mcdonalds and closing down every movie theatre.
Its a mistake to think all muslims are radicalor all muslims are terrorists but its also stupid to think only alqaeda supports terrorism.
If there are a billion muslims there are probably more than 10 million and less than 100 million who will strongly support violence as a means and thats an enourmous challenge. Barry
barry,
3500 Kurds were killed in one town with poison gas one morning before breakfast. Saddam wanted to rid his country of Kurds altogether.
we were talking about the gassing not the entire war with the kurds!
150.000 is an estimate that lacks any solid proof. after years of fighting the number could however be accurate.
If there are a billion muslims there are probably more than 10 million and less than 100 million who will strongly support violence as a means and thats an enourmous challenge. Barry
absolutely agreed. problem is the poorer the society the easier it gets for radicalism to spread. to solve the problem would require to develop these countries not to occupy them and take their oil.
Before dismissing this thing as a few individuals (which is still being investigated), it would be in order to consider how Americans would feel & react if this same treatment (or something aimed at insulting our religion) happened to American POWs. If we're honest, we know that we'd feel similarly, imo.
It has happened. Anyone who believes is hasn?t are crazy. This entire affair stinks to high heaven. I?ve watched American soldiers bodies dragged nude down the street with foreigners urinating on them and so on.
War is just that an atrocity. We do not live in a perfect world. Who, tell me, writes the rules of war? Soldiers as a whole have feelings no mater what country they are from and those feeling will at times unfortunately drive their actions. Animal behavior included.
If one does not thinks that some, I said some people sign on the dotted line to retaliate for acts such as 9-11 and they slip through the cracks then we are not being honest with ourselves. There are stops in place to try and catch this but at times the system fails. Then there are those already in who believe they can make amends for past atrocities. Shit happens it?s wrong. NO ONE is perfect, WAR will never be perfect, people die and are dehumanized. War is not pretty, never has been never will be.
American soldiers were wrong their behavior is inexcusable. Thank god for the American soldier who came forward and tried to stop it.
British soldiers have committed the same acts.Thank god for the British soldier or citizen who came forward to stop it. If one believes this does not happen in war then they need to truly take a close look at all past wars. If we want to say those pictures are made up, ok then do so. Perhaps they were smarter and did not take pictures. Whatever. War is war, atrocities happen. No one is better than another when pulling the trigger to take another?s life.
I don?t care if you are British or American, purple or pink. This is life, until you have walked a mile in every other?s persons shoes please do not judge and make excuses for anyone?s behavior. These people will live with their actions and unfortunately as a result we have to as well. Americans will be seen as animals. The British who want to portray all Americans this way because of the actions of a few; no one will change their minds.
Just as those Americans who wish to judge those on their behaviors will do so. But I see no point in this tit for tat shit. War is war and no one is better at war and never will be, human emotion will not allow for it and it seems human emotion will not allow for those unfortunate humans who do not know how to control their feeling.
Cassi
American soldiers were wrong their behavior is inexcusable. Thank god for the American soldier Who came forward and tried to stop it.
Exactly, goes to show that not ALL American soldiers are bad as some are implying. If they were I doubt any would have come forward to turn them in. As the old adage goes. "One bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch" I think the problem lies in the age of the soldiers.(if not mistaken, they were young) IMHO, they are letting them in to young and immature. They are not responsible enough to buy alcohol let alone join the army at such a young age.
Before dismissing this thing as a few individuals (which is still being investigated), it would be in order to consider how Americans would feel & react if this same treatment (or something aimed at insulting our religion) happened to American POWs. If we're honest, we know that we'd feel similarly, imo.
And before you start sermonizing in an attempt to blow the sexual humiliation of these brutal Iraqi terrorist as the brutality story of the century, maybe think about this: how do you think the American families of the 4 non-military men who were beaten beyond recognition, dragged in the streets before CHEERING crowds must have felt? Where was all the righteous indignation then. What do you think about a CROWD of people cheering on brtual murders?
Guess you, and others, get more incensed at the "humilian and abuse" of Iraq prisoners of war--who no doubt themselves had been involved in terrorism-- in a particular prison at the handful of a few soldiers than you do over Iraqi's cheering on the deaths and mutilations of American citizens who had done nothing to them..
Self-righteousness and semonizing does make some feel superior to SO many people, in this case the all Americans.
