Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing? (page 33)

Realist

yeru,

i am not confusing anything here...the palestinians as all other arabs give a shit about the empty phrases uttered by israeli politicians.

about the facts...fact is it was a peaceful demo. you cannot even accept that! so whats the point?

What exactly is your hard evidence that there were NOT gunmen in the crowd? Is it that the terrorists in the Mandate Territories have never used civilian shields before? What is your proof that this was intentional on the part of the Israelis? The FACTS are that we don't have many facts to this issue...

Realist

so where is the evidence that gunmen were in the crowd???????????????

i mean listen to this arguments: a) ok there MIGHT have been gunman in the crowd - we are not sure but what the hell...lets shoot first and then check. (found evidence = zero)

plus excuse b) we fired a warning shot at the demonstrators but unfortunately the rocket hit the people!

can you explain to me how a tank or a helicopter can a) make a warning shot and b) accidentially hit a crowd of 5000 people?

the israelis are not a shred better than the palestinians!

rem

Realist,

Even if I were to agree with you that the allies used terror, then I still fail to see your point. There is still no moral equivelancy between stealing land and targetting innocent civillians. Just because the Allies (and the Germans) allegedly did it a half century ago doesn't excuse the modern terrorists.

I still believe your points against the Allies are debatable. Even with the German V-2 rockets they were *trying* to figure out how to control the damn things so they would hit valid targets. So, though terror was an real aspect of the weapon, it was not ultimately its final goal. The difference with the terrorist groups is that their intent is not even debatable - their intent is to terrorize civillians and they admit it.

rem

rem

>> the israelis are not a shred better than the palestinians!

Did you mean: "The Israeli army is not a shred better than the palestinian terrorist groups"?

I believe they are because if the power was reversed you would see the outright genocide of Jews on a massive scale.

rem

Yerusalyim

REM

A VERY good point. Hamas and others have vowed to ERADICATE ISRAEL and the Jews that live there.

frenchbabyface

targetting innocent civillians

Ooops ! ... why this war ? ... there is a time when terrorisme is more likely "resistance" (not the same at all)

Realist

rem,

the terror attacks against german and japanese cities are as debateable as the holocaust.

the point is that i dispise the moral outcry over terror attacks on israel while much worse things are excused by the same people.

There is still no moral equivelancy between stealing land and targetting innocent civillians.

true stealing is not as bad as murdering. BUT it is a normal response that if you do not get justice you will retaliate in a different manner. the worse the injustice the more intense the retaliation. the palestinians were mistreated for half a centruy now. many killed or forced to life under horrible conditions in refugee camps - their land stolen by an occupying force. the jewish settlers are going into the arab areas and put up their colonies. these people are obviously willing to risk their lives for what they perceive to be their god given right. you should not forget they view themselfs as god's chosen people and many would love to get rid of all arabs in the area. that the palestinians retaliate is understandable in my opinion.

frenchbabyface

Twice for YERU at least and coworkers !

Realiste : true stealing is not as bad as murdering. BUT it is a normal response that if you do not get justice you will retaliate in a different manner. the worse the injustice the more intense the retaliation. the palestinians were mistreated for half a centruy now. many killed or forced to life under horrible conditions in refugee camps - their land stolen by an occupying force. the jewish settlers are going into the arab areas and put up their colonies. these people are obviously willing to risk their lives for what they perceive to be their god given right. you should not forget they view themselfs as god's chosen people and many would love to get rid of all arabs in the area. that the palestinians retaliate is understandable in my opinion.

Thank you Realiste ...

rem

Realist,

I agree that is understandable that they retaliate - just not the way they (terrorist groups - not the average Palistinians) do. Targetting innocent civilians should never be understandable. I can understand collateral damage, and if that was what was happening I wouldn't have any bone to pick with the Palistinian terrorist groups. (Note I don't have a problem with the average Palistinian on the street)

rem

Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?

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