May 1st Watchtower.

by mouthy 19 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    I dont know if this has already been posted .Sorry if it has. I understand the above WT in letters to the readers takes time to tell all that the HOLY SPIRT is NOT a person ( still a thing like electricty)

    It cannot believe they can tell the people that they cannot be indwelt by the Holy Spirit .But they Can believe they can be indwelt with demons.....Go figure that one.!!!!

    I know many on here dont believe in God. But dont you agree this is contidictory info???Or am I just stupid????( O.K. DONT ANSWER THAT QUESTION!!!) I know the answer

  • Sunspot
    Sunspot

    (Hands on hips) GRACE!!! How'd YOU get a Watchower????

    Yes, the info is definitely flawed, for the reasons you said. I used to believe this way too (you knew that :) but reading the bible "away from" the mistakes of the FDS has REALLY been en eye-opener...as people SAID it would...in time.

    There are so many (new to me) truths that were hidden before, that I'm just learning about NOW. "Make sure" of ALL things has also taken on new meaning!! LOL!

    hugs,

    Annie

  • shera
    shera

    I'm not sure how to answer this,but I just wanted to tell you,you always make me smile with your humor.

    **hugs**

  • heathen
    heathen

    Yeah well we are discussing this article on blondies thread , comments you won't hear. 1st corinthians 6:19 is an interesting scripture to refute that . They exspect the great crowd to believe they can only reflect Gods spirit and cannot be filled with holy spirit. I would like to know just how they conclude that . To my knowlege the bible is unclear on the issue . I think it is possible to have holy spirit without being one of the 144k. The demons according to the WTBTS just crave flesh so they can exsperience sexuality thru their host . They did at one time suggest that since they can no longer materialize after the flood but were still sex maniacs were still mainly interested in sex . Live forever publication page 95 paragraph.12.

  • XQsThaiPoes
    XQsThaiPoes

    The demons not marterializing is more "this is what you should believe" it protect them from answering for where 300 million seething demons hang out.

    The gread crowd litterally means all men that ever existed. Hence why you can't number them. The spirit never bears witness in them so they are unsaved in the chirstian sense. It makes no logical sense for a GCJW or a hindu or muslim to be filled with the holy spirit.

  • CeriseRose
    CeriseRose

    I was curious too, not just Mouthy, but how do all of you get your hands on new WTS publications? not that I particularly want to, but I know 90% of the people in this territory and would have trouble just getting one even in street witnessing....I'm amazed at y'all. hehe,

    I haven't read the May 1st WT...but the holy spirit as 'electricity' is what they were still teaching as of January. What I never understood was the semantics about asking for a "portion" of holy spirit (because we are not to presume to ask Jehovah for a specific amount of it; it's up to him to determine how much we need/are worthy of receiving).

    Also, in Acts it indicates that the holy spirit was upon these ones, and they could speak in tongues...what difference is that from demon possession where one speaks gibberish? Maybe the demons are merely 'bad voltage'...

    Y'all make good points. Part of me wants answers and part of me would rather remain ignorant to all religion right now. Just the space I'm in, I guess.

    edited: I got a giggle out of this: I posted part of this to my boyfriend, because I love the turn of phrase: "The demons not marterializing is more "this is what you should believe" it protect them from answering for where 300 million seething demons hang out." His reponse was "Starbucks?". ROFLROFL

  • blondie
    blondie

    I have the May 1 and it is not in it. I checked May 15 and the question reads this way:

    How can we grieve God's holy spirit since it is not a person?

    The response only nominally addresses the issue of the HS being a person and refers the reader to the Trinity brochure for a more in-depth discussion of whether the HS is a person, part of a trinity. That is the first paragraph.

    But I did highlight some interesting points.

    "If we are God's servants with an earhtly hope, we have not been anointed with holy spirit. Nevertheless, we can have just as much of God's spirit as those with the heavenly hope. Hence, we (obviously not an anointed brother writing this) could grive the spirt. But how?"

    "If we were to ignore Scriptural counsel penned under the guidance of holy spirit, we could develop traits that could result in willful sin against the spirit, the loss of Jehovah's favor, and eventual destruction."

    "We certainly have to control our thoughts and actions. In his letter to the Ephesians, chapter 4, the apostle Paul spoke about avoiding tendencies toward dishonest statements, sustained wrathfulness, laziness, and unsuitable speech. If we have put on "the new personality" and yet allow ourselves to drift back toward such things, what would we be doing? We would be going against the spirit-inspired counsel of God's Word, the Bible. By doing this, we would be grieving the holy spirit.

    "In Ephesians chapter 5, we read Paul's counsel about avoiding prurient interest in fornication.l The apostle also urges fellow believers to avoid shameful conduct and obscene jesting. If we do not want to grive God's holy spirit, we ought to bear this in mind when choosing etertainment. Why would we show interest in such things by talking about them, reading about them, and viewing their portrayal on television or elsewhere?"

    "Of course we could grieve the spirit in other ways. Jehovah's spirit promotes unity in the congregation, but suppose we were to spready harmful gossip or encourage cliques in the congregation. Would we not be working against the spirit's leadings toward unity?"

    "In a general way, we would be grieving the holy spirit, like those who caused divisions in the congregation in Corinth."

    "We would also be grieving the spirit if we deliberately undermined respect for spirit-appointed men in the congregation."

    I think the WTS never intended to reinforce the teaching that the holy spirit is not a person. But I do think they are trying to reinfoce something. Rather than give my opinion, I invite you to tell me what you think it is. No right or wrong answer, this is not a test.

    Blondie

  • galaxy7
    galaxy7
    ignore Scriptural counsel penned under the guidance of holy spirit
    grieving the spirit if we deliberately undermined respect for spirit-appointed men in the congregation

    I believe the organization thinks they are the holy spirit

  • OHappyDay
    OHappyDay
    "If we are God's servants with an earhtly hope, we have not been anointed with holy spirit. Nevertheless, we can have just as much of God's spirit as those with the heavenly hope.

    That's a distinction that makes no sense to me. If the "other sheep" can have
    just as much of God's spirit as those with the heavenly hope," what is the purpose of being "anointed" with the holy spirit?

    And where does the Bible say that only 144,000 are "anointed" with the holy spirit? The only place the 144,000 are mentioned is in the book of Revelation, and the word "anointed" is not used there in reference to them at all. In fact, the words "anoint/anointed/anointing" do not appear anywhere in the book of Revelation.

  • lisaBObeesa
    lisaBObeesa
    "If we were to ignore Scriptural counsel penned under the guidance of holy spirit, we could develop traits that could result in willful sin against the spirit, the loss of Jehovah's favor, and eventual destruction."

    You must follow what the Watchtower mag says or your will be destroyed! Wow, they really came right out and said it, didn't they?

    This article just another way to list 'the rules'.

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