Even the animals in the ark that survived the Flood did not do so apart from this group."
Whaaat?????? I think the GB has been drinking a little too much lately, LOL!
SHOULD YOU BELONG TO A CHURCH? - June 1st WT
by Mary 21 Replies latest jw friends
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shamus
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blondie
What about
Abel
Enoch
Job
Joseph
Jael
Daviid
The little Israelite slave girl
Naaman
John (at Patmos)
All worshipers of the God the the Bible that found themselves alone in their worship of God.
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metatron
How can anyone call ancient Israel - or first century Christians "organized"?
At any given moment, Israel was being overrun by enemies, spilt into factions, or generally fighting each other.
In the early Christian congregation, guys like the Apostle Paul were freely treated with contempt or indifference.
Congregations appointed their own apostles and were filled with divisions. Contrary to Watchtower nonsense,
there was no "Governing Body" - since any Christian might speak in tongues or perform miracles showing that
they had Holy Spirit guiding them. Ever try to argue with a 'born-again' about the Bible? - that's how futile it was!
The fact is: articles like this one show how the Watchtower is dominated by 'WORLDLY THINKING'!
Why? because they are obsessed with a modern ,corporate structure - an "organization" - JUST LIKE
THE WORLD! - rather than any decentralized form spoken of in the Bible.
metatron
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Mary
Even the animals in the ark that survived the Flood did not do so apart from this group."
Yep, I can just see Noah as the original Dr. Doolittle........he didn't just preach salvation to the people......he also preached salvation to all the animals. He used to "walk with the animals, talk with the animals....."
And these animals all came to understand and appreciate God's arrangement and how their salvation lay in galloping up to the ark just as Noah commanded. This raises the question: what about all the plants that were destroyed at the Flood? Did they not show appreciation for God's arrangment as spoken of through Noah? Evidently they didn't as they were destroyed in the Flood along with wicked mankind.
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run dont walk
warned his contemporaries
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Leolaia
Even the animals in the ark that survived the Flood did not do so apart from this group."
The wackiness of this statement was actually anticipated by the Jewish exegetes of the intertestamental period, who faced the conundrum of explaining why the Flood destroyed all the animals as well -- when it was man who sinned. So they concluded that the animals must have sinned as well. Thus the fallen angels and the giants had sex "with the birds, and with animals, and with reptiles, and with fish" (1 Enoch 7:5), and "sinned against beasts and birds and everything that moves or walks upon the earth," and "all of them corrupted their ways and their orders" (Jubilees 5:2, 7:24). And so the animals began having unnatural sex with each other, going after "different flesh" as the angels had (cf. Jude 7), so that they had sex "with those not of their species, horse with donkey and donkey with horse, and snake with bird" (Midrash Tanhuma Noah, 12). The animals that Noah took into the ark were those few animals who did not sin, and were thus saved just like Noah's family was, preserved because of their righteousness.
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calamityjane
Another way with words, to keep them as a frightened close-knit group and not become unravelled.
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undercover
Signficantly, God did not inform each individual about the coming Flood. Rather, he told Noah who in turn warned his contemporaries of the approaching Deluge
Where in the Bible does it say that Noah warned his contemporaries?
Nowhere in the flood account does it say that Noah warned people of the flood.
The book of Matthew says that when the deluge came people were not knowing (the NWT says "took no note" trying to twist the actual text - look it up in the purple interlinear bible).
Noah was called a "preacher of righteousness" later by Peter or Paul(I can't remember) but that doesn't mean that he "warned" anyone of impending doom. HIs following direction from God and surviving the flood can classify him as a "preacher of righteousness".
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and on being willing to accept God's direction given to Noah
But in the same breath the WTS will deny being a prophet or having any sort of direct comminucation with Jehover. They want their followers to associate the organization with Jehover and claim to be "directed by jehover", but at the same time they don't want the culpability when they screw up.They want to have Jehover and eat him too.
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Leolaia
undercover, this is from my thread Apocryphal Jewish Tradition in the New Testament which explores how NT details about OT events and personages are missing in the original OT accounts:
NOAH
2 Peter 2:5 calls Noah "a preacher of righteousness". Of course, the Genesis narrative mentions nothing of a preaching work by Noah. The natural interpretation was that Noah would have tried to pass on his divine warning to his contemporaries, perhaps trying to get them to repent and thus be saved. Josephus (Jewish Antiquities 1:73) thus says that "Noah, displeased with the deeds of his [contemporaries] and finding their intentions to be odious, sought to persuade them to adopt a better way of thinking and to change their ways". According to rabbinical literature: "The righteous Noah used to warn them and say to them, 'Repent, for if you do not, God will bring a flood upon you.' " (b. Sanhedrin 108a).
According to Luke 17:26-27, as it was in "the days of Noah," so will it also be in the days of the Son of Man, for "they were eating drinking, marrying, being given in marriage , until the day Noah entered the ark and the Flood came and took them all." This correlation of the primeval history with the story of the End grows out of Jewish tradition, in which the Flood is the prototype of the Last Judgment or the end of the world (cf. Jubilees 20:5-6; 1 Enoch 67:10; 93:4; 2 Peter 2:5; 3:6-7; Apocalypse of Adam 3:3 ). Because both generations are judged for their actions, there is a suggestion that the activities of "eating and drinking" could carry negative connotations. This is how Theophylact understood the passage: "When the Antichrist comes, people will be giving themselves over to pleasure, reclining at weddings and feasts in the most arrogant manner, just as the giants did in the time of Noah" (Comm. Mt. 123.420). It is in 1 Enoch where all three themes (marriage, eating, and drinking) are mentioned as sinister activities before the Flood:
"And they [the angels] took wives unto themselves, and everyone respectively chose one woman for himself , and they began to go unto them. And they taught them magical medicine, incantations, the cutting of roots, and taught them about plants. And the women became pregnant and gave birth to great giants whose heights were three hundred cubits. These giants consumed the produce of all the people until the people detested feeding them. So the giants turned against the people in order to eat them. And they began to sin against birds, wild beasts, reptiles, and fish. And their flesh was devoured the one by the other, and they drank blood. And then the earth brought an accusation against the oppresors." (1 Enoch 7:1-6)
Hope this adds to the picture!