Did you ever unscriptually end a trial? June 1st Watchtower

by truthseeker 32 Replies latest jw friends

  • XQsThaiPoes
    XQsThaiPoes

    "The great crowd are also being tested in connection with theocratic procedures."

    It is saying the rules don't applies to use but we should feel guilty and do it anyway.

    Blondie I need your help about DFing and the Great Crowd. I have got to a dead end. From what I see those "sins" only applie to th anointed and are being misapplied to the other sheep for no reason. Infact all the verbage is vague and stilted when they try to obligate the Great Crowd to obey them. Sofar the only was of keeping this thing is check is the DFing system. If you are appling the wrong law to the wrong class of people then I think something should be done.

    Do Your Circumstances Control Your Life?
    Page 22, subheading Wait on Jehovah has this to say...
    The third lesson is that instead of using unscriptual means to change our circumstances, we should wait on Jehovah.
    The disciple James wrote: "Let endurance have its work complete, that you may be complete and sound in all respects, not
    lacking in anything." Endurance should always be allowed to have "its work complete" by our permitting a trial to run its
    full course without resorting to unscriptual means to bring it to a swift end. Then our faith will be tested and refined, and
    its sustaining power will be revealed. Joseph and David had this kind of endurance. They did not try and work out a solution
    that would incur Jehovah's displeasure. Instead, they worked to make the best of their situations. They waited on Jehovah,
    and what blessings they received for doing so! Jehovah used both of them to deliver and lead his people.
    We too may face situations for which we could be tempted to seek unscriptual solutions.
    This could aply to DFing people to get rid of them too. It is just that vague
  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    HEY FOLKS. YOU DON'T GET IT, DO YOU?

    THIS MEANS THE WBTS IS GOING TO WAIT ON JEHOVAH IN ALL MATTERS. JUST LIKE THEY TELL US TO DO.

    THEY ARE EVEN GOING TO SHUT DOWN THE LEGAL DEPT. AT WBTS HEADQUARTERS.

    NO MORE LAWSUITS AND THEY WILL ACCEPT ALL CLAIMS OF MOLESTATION AND CLEAN UP THE ORGNIZATION. WHILE THEY COMFORT THE VICTIMS.

    EGADS, WHAT DID I JUST DRINK??

    Outoftheorg

  • blondie
    blondie
    If you are appling the wrong law to the wrong class of people then I think something should be done.

    X, I make no application or endorsement of what the WTS says here. I am merely reporting not supporting.

    Blondie

  • Corvin
    Corvin
    Though we do not needlessly jeopardize our lives, we would never use unscriptural means to avoid persecution.?1 Peter 3:16.

    Yet, another example of WTBTS hypocrisy. In Mexico, as we all know, the governing body condoned the illegal practice of bribing officials to obtain a bogus "cartilla" so that the brothers could unscripturally avoid military service without having to go to prison.

    Corvin

  • XQsThaiPoes
    XQsThaiPoes

    Blondie I am not offended but i have exhausted my WTlib and was asking for research help. They have almost totaly stripped it of DFing articles. I am trying to understand why ,or when the Great Crowd became obligated to follow rules that the watchtower, and bible clearly state is not directed to them. The perfect example is the misapplication of "not of our sort" to the Great Crowd. It is so obvious the WT does not specify what that means to the great crowd.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Let me explain the WTS philosphy on this, the GC associate closely with the anointed and thus are obligated to follow the same laws. The principle harkens back to the principle regarding alien residents in the nation of Israel being required to keep the Law although they were not Israelites by birth.

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    w03 2/15 pp. 19-20 What Does the Lord?s Evening Meal Mean to You? ***

    Especially since 1935 has there been a search for those who come to be "other sheep," who have faith in the ransom, dedicate themselves to God, and support the anointed "little flock" in Kingdom-preaching activity. (Luke 12:32) These other sheep hope to live on earth forever, but in all other respects, they resemble the present-day remnant of Kingdom heirs. Like ancient Israel?s alien residents who worshiped Jehovah and submitted to the Law, today?s other sheep accept Christian responsibilities, such as preaching the good news along with the members of spiritual Israel. (Galatians 6:16) Just as no alien resident could become Israel?s king or a priest, however, none of these other sheep can as such rule in the heavenly Kingdom or serve as priests.?Deuteronomy 17:15.

  • CountryGuy
    CountryGuy
    Though we do not needlessly jeopardize our lives, we would never use unscriptural means to avoid persecution.?1 Peter 3:16.

    Yet, another example of WTBTS hypocrisy. In Mexico, as we all know, the governing body condoned the illegal practice of bribing officials to obtain a bogus "cartilla" so that the brothers could unscripturally avoid military service without having to go to prison.

    Corvin

    Well of course they wouldn't jeopardize their lives, Corvin. The situtation in Mexico was all about Real Estate. Which I'm beginning to see that the WT values above all else. The Mexico/Malawi issue is the 'straw that broke the camel's back' for me. It is the ultimate example of how the GB doesn't care for the rank and file.

    CountryGuy

  • Undaunted Danny
    Undaunted Danny

    Well of course they wouldn't jeopardize their lives, Corvin. The situtation in Mexico was all about Real Estate. Which I'm beginning to see that the WT values above all else. The Mexico/Malawi issue is the 'straw that broke the camel's back' for me. It is the ultimate example of how the GB doesn't care for the rank and file.

    CountryGuy

    Danny sez's; I'll be damned,I didn't know the 'real estate angle' with Mexico,that's new light for me.Well it only figures cause, the watchtower fairy follows the money trail,and sprinkles the "new light" fairy dust along the path. Cupid 2


  • XQsThaiPoes
    XQsThaiPoes

    *** w03 2/15 pp. 19-20 What Does the Lord?s Evening Meal Mean to You? ***

    Especially since 1935 has there been a search for those who come to be "other sheep," who have faith in the ransom, dedicate themselves to God, and support the anointed "little flock" in Kingdom-preaching activity. (Luke 12:32) These other sheep hope to live on earth forever, but in all other respects, they resemble the present-day remnant of Kingdom heirs. Like ancient Israel?s alien residents who worshiped Jehovah and submitted to the Law, today?s other sheep accept Christian responsibilities, such as preaching the good news along with the members of spiritual Israel. (Galatians 6:16) Just as no alien resident could become Israel?s king or a priest, however, none of these other sheep can as such rule in the heavenly Kingdom or serve as priests.?Deuteronomy 17:15.

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    it-1 p. 73 Alien Resident ***

    Judicially, the alien resident was guaranteed impartial justice in judgments involving a natural Israelite. (De 1:16, 17) He was not to be defrauded or subjected to perverted judgment. (De 24:14, 17) Curses were laid on those who rendered injustice to alien residents. (De 27:19) The cities of refuge for the unintentional manslayer were available for the alien resident and the settler as well as the natural Israelite.?Nu 35:15; Jos 20:9.

    (Exodus 22:21) 21 "And you must not maltreat an alien resident or oppress him, for YOU people became alien residents in the land of Egypt.

    (Exodus 23:9) 9

    "And you must not oppress an alien resident, as YOU yourselves have known the soul of the alien resident, because YOU became alien residents in the land of Egypt. . .

    (Deuteronomy 10:18) 18

    executing judgment for the fatherless boy and the widow and loving the alien resident so as to give him bread and a mantle.

    (Leviticus 19:33-34) 33

    "?And in case an alien resident resides with you as an alien in YOUR land, YOU must not mistreat him. 34 The alien resident who resides as an alien with YOU should become to YOU like a native of YOURS; and you must love him as yourself, for YOU became alien residents in the land of Egypt. I am Jehovah YOUR God.

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    w82 2/1 p. 23 God?s Purpose in Having Some "Born Again" ***

    Rather, just as in ancient Israel Jehovah?s laws applied also to the alien residents in their midst, so the commands given to the spiritual Israelites apply also to their companions, the "great crowd" of "other sheep."?John 10:16; Revelation 7:9.

    Actually the clever verbage here is startling. THis is the clearest conection but look at hat the neglect. There is only one command.

    (John 15:12-14) . . .This is my commandment, that YOU love one another just as I have loved YOU. 13

    No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his soul in behalf of his friends. 14 YOU are my friends if YOU do what I am commanding YOU.

    Notice

    (1 Timothy 4:1-5) 4

    However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons, 2 by the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron; 3 forbidding to marry, commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth. 4 The reason for this is that every creation of God is fine, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 for it is sanctified through God?s word and prayer over [it].

    So I still am lost Blondie but your help really did jog my memory. Can you explain why if we only have one command that the great crowd is under then what is the reason for DFing the Other Sheep.

  • blondie
    blondie

    No, I can't and I won't try. Keep remembering that I no longer go to the KH and all I have is the WT-CD. My lack of seeing any scriptural backing is why I left, Q.

    But peace be on you

    Blondie

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