Do you protest the lifestyles of the elite? That?s what my whole article was about- elitists royals (by birth, blood, politics and/or power) who espouse rules for us (the dirty unwashed masses) to live by but don?t think any of it applies to themselves Do you write your politicians? All the time Do you participate in local beach/park clean-ups? Not organized cleanups- I bring xtra garbage bags (paper) when I go and clean up all the trash left by others Do you volunteer in your community? Every chance I get Do you cook from scratch? Almost every day. Freeze and reuse. Never throw away food. Have a dog and 2 birds that loves table scraps-nothing goes to waste Do you buy local? Every chance I get. Do you promote peaceful, positive energy? What is that? Do you mean vibes or real energy- like nuclear, fossil fuels, coal. If you mean real energy then yes, I advocate finding and using all of them and nuclear energy,too. Do you use phosphate-free household cleaning products? No. phosphate is a fertilizer. My ditch is the brown water recipient of my washing machine. I have wild lilies and other unknown named plants that thrive in my brown water. I have the most beautiful ditch in the area. Do you eat seasonal, local produce? Yes. Go to the local farmers markets all the time. Do you take your own bags to the grocery store? Have 3 lg mesh reusable bags that have some holes from being used so much- can't stand the smell of plastic bags. Do use paper bags I get from the grocers as small trash cans liners. Do you practice preventive health? Yes and no Do you use non-aerosol products? Yes for personal and no for bug spray- I draw the line with Bengal bug spray. Will NOT live with bugs. Eco friendly has it limits. Do you boycott Walmart? No. Buy most of my stuff from local merchants but cannot buy everything locally. Live in a small semirural community. Do you help the poor? Yes Do you eat farmed fish? Yes and no. Buy farm raised fish off season ( is there any other kind in Mississippi) except for the fish my friends and family catch. Do buy fresh fish, shrimp, crabs right off the boats here on the Mississippi Gulf Coast. Do you wear Nike or other sweatshop-produced products? Buy Klog shoes for work and home- made in USA I am a conservationist but not a tree hugging, nature worshipping eco crazy. I believe that God gave us this planet as our home to have dominion over but to use wisely, to His glory. I believe that trees are a RENEWABLE resource and are here for our use, not to be worshipped. Do I believe that we should strip the planet? Of course not! But I think that the reasonable harvesting of trees is beneficial for both man, animals and plants. I don't know where you live but here in the south it is impossible to strip the planet of vegetation. You can ROUNDUP till you are blue in the face and the next week there is a jungle growing where you swear you just killed any and all vegetation. Try not mowing your lawn for 2 weeks down here and see if your neighborhood association doesn't take you to court for being an eyesore. I have honeysuckle growing 25 feet up my pine trees (and 50 feet in all directions) and threatening to overtake my neighbor's yard. Trumpet vines I planted have multiplied beyond belief. Wild blackberry plants thrive in vacant lots near me. You have to be the world's biggest black thumb to kill anything down here. Pine trees are harvested around me all the time and you would not believe how FAST new trees and other vegetation grows up in bare land. Within a month you can not even tell that there was once bare land there. Now if this takes place in poor soil places like Mississippi what does that tell you about places that have rich soils? Do you really believe that the Amazon CAN be destroyed by anything other than a global catastrophe????? I believe that we should explore, mine, drill and use our own oil, gas and coal where ever we find it. Don't want oil wells off your shores or energy plants in your back yard? Fine. Then I don't think that YOU (meaning states that have denied drilling and mining permits) should get any energy from those states and people who DO allow it- like Texas, Louisiana, Okla, etc. Develop your own sources of energy however you can. In the meantime try not to cut down all of your forests warming yourselves during the winter months or try cooling your homes in FLA or Calif with all of that hot air your eco friendly politicans blow off. I do not think that we should be dependent on foreign sources for our energy. I also think that we, as a society, should develop solar and nuclear energy. But I don't think that the gov should pay for it- anything the gov funds tends to stay in research for generations and never gets developed beyond the research funding stages (except NASA). I think that PRIVATE investors should pay for it. If you believe in something enough put YOUR money into it-NOT MINE or someone elses. Don't steal from someone else to fund your dreams. Another thing I was trying to get people to think about was how some of us (me included) tend to think that everyone who doesn't think or act like us is somehow evil or greedy. What kind of car someone drives is not really my or your business. This is a free country. We are free to own however many houses and cars we want. I may not like it but we ARE free to choose to buy SUV's or minicars if we like. What I do object to is people who are green hypocrites like the elitists who want the rest of us to live in a one lightbulb shack groveling at their feet, while they rule from the estates, private islands, villas and castles of Europe and America.
Hypocrite Greenies
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xjw_b12
If I moved in with Gumby, would that make me a valid Greenie?
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SixofNine
Be happy there are people, "elite" or not, that are preaching conservation. Your grandchildren's future will be affected far more by the millions of people rubbing shoulders with you at the mall and on the freeways, than by the occasional Donald Trump with his stable of 250,000 dollar cars and multi-million dollar yachts.
You seem to have your head far up your ass as regards how things change on this planet. (hint: they don't change on the whims of some poster on an exJW discussion board's opinionated whims about what government and people "should" do).
Your idea that it is "impossible to strip the planet of vegetation" and question "do you really believe that the Amazon CAN be destroyed by anything other than a global catastrophe?????" has to be the stupidest thing I have ever seen articulated, if you can call it that, by anyone, ever.
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xjw_b12
sixanine. Are you feeling OK. Seem to be a little more grumpy than usual?
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SixofNine
Nah, I think I'm pretty consistant really. Assholyness + stupidity brings out the grump in me.
Now see, I'm giving you tongue for your birthday b12, how many other guys have given you that?
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talesin
Nah, I think I'm pretty consistant really. Assholyness + stupidity brings out the grump in me.
Yes, me too, Six. Although, since coming here, I have been constantly reminded of how many good folk there are in the world ... I know I'm just a tiny bit jealous of the fun y'all had this past weekend ...
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Valis
eh talesin...we did use quite a few glass and aluminum containers
Sincerely,
District Overbeer
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talesin
Ahhh, Valis, I hear you had the hottest chili,,, I woulda loved that! Next year, hahahaha .... the revenge of the quiet Canadians .....
heheheh j/k of course .... !!!!!
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grows1
Unlike some of your I depend on DOCUMENTED research and FACTS to back up my claims......... Comments regarding vegetation around the Mt. St. Helen blast site?? http://my.erinet.com/~jwoolf/cascades5.html After the eruption, Congress took a lot of Weyerhaeuser's land and turned it into Mt St Helens National Volcano Monument. By a happy coincidence, the monument lands included some but not all of the "blast zone," the region which was stripped bare by the May 18th eruption. This let Weyerhaeuser and the USFS set up a simple experiment. While the monument lands were left to recover naturally, Weyerhaeuser threw a huge amount of resources into clearing, replanting, and artificially accelerating the regrowth of forests on its lands. After 22 years, the contrast between the natural and artificially-enhanced lands is quite striking. The natural lands are recovering very slowly, while the Weyerhaeuser lands have a lush growth of fresh young trees. It's far from being a replacement for the forest that was there before, but it's also a long way ahead of the "natural" area. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/04/000427080345.htm For the last 10 years, Washington State University Vancouver Biology professor John Bishop has been asking those questions and studying the reemergence of life on Mount St. Helens. His work takes place in the most devastated area on the mountain's north side, between the crater and Spirit Lake, named the Pumice Plains. "There was no biological legacy left," Bishop said. "Plants, animals, bacteria and organic matter were all blown away, burned or buried by rock." In 1981, a single lupine plant (Lupinus lepidus) was found in the Pumice Plains much to the surprise of ecologists. This plant was several kilometers from any surviving vegetation. According to Bishop this was amazing considering lupine seeds are rather large without adaptation for dispersal. The question of how the seeds were dispersed still remains???. "It's much like you plant beans or peas in your garden to replenish the soil," Bishop said. "Lupines add nutrients back into the ecosystem. Most plants couldn't live here [the plains] without the lupine, although that has changed by now." Today lupine patches more than 20 acres in size exist on the Pumice Plains and new vegetation has grown in areas where lupine first settled. Lupine was thought to act as an "ecosystem engineer" accelerating and encouraging revegetation. "People had high expectations for lupines to spread but this didn't really happen," Bishop said. "As a graduate student in the early '90s, I saw that the lupine weren't spreading and became interested in why. I found lupines here and there, but they weren't flourishing like the original patch. Now a lot of things like to eat lupine. I found that insects were preventing lupines from reproducing so fast. They were running the revegetation show." What Bishop found were caterpillars. Caterpillars were boring and living in the root of lupine plants, feeding on lupine seeds and weaving little protective tunnels out of leaves and gravel. Bishop's work in this area focuses on primary succession--an ecological term for starting from scratch. "Our work is one of the first examples of herbivores controlling revegetation. The larger question is whether herbivores in general control plant populations," Bishop said. Bishop's other research on Mount St. Helens has focused on the evolutionary impacts of colonization and the "founder effect." Currently Bishop is also researching why there are no herbivores in the center of the lupine patch. At the edge of the patch, where the number of lupines thins out, more herbivores are found. http://www.drizzle.com/~sunnym/helens.htm On Johnston ridge, where the final visitor center is located, there are some shrubs on the ground (as you see in the picture below), but the simple fact that this area is not fully revegetated with ferns and wildflowers and blueberries only speaks to the power of the Earth... that in the span of a few short seconds a very large area could be so completely wiped out that even 20 years later, nothing would grow in the soil. That the eruption had more power than just the amount of ash it dumped or the top of the mountain that is now strewn across the countryside... That the gases and chemicals released and shoved with full force into the dirt and soil so hard and so deep would have such a lasting impact on the ecosystem. This area looks like it was dropped here from another place... scooped up from a desert and plopped in the middle of lush Northwest forests. The boundaries are as abrupt as that. Very scary. Very powerful. Very soothing to know that no matter what we (people) do to the Earth, that nature is five-million times more powerful than we could ever be, both constructively and destructively. http://www.altx.com/ebr/ebr4/mcelroy.htm ??..The area of devastation around what the Klickitat Indians call Fire Mountain was pretty complete on the north side segment. Observers likened the blast to a nuclear explosion. Of course they did. A billion board feet of lumber destroyed. Mudslides thirty feet deep burying areas around Spirit Lake, which is virtually at the foot of the mountain's northwest slope, and raising its level drastically. A "moonscape" of "otherworldly shapes and smells," the journalist tosses off, ignoring how "otherworldly" virtually denies what he is saying?if it was ever clear to begin with. The magma smell of mineral rubble for that was what St. Helens was built on from previous eruptions: pumice, pyroclastic debris, gray fine-grained andesite lava, dark, glassy dacite dome material. In less than a day 21 million yards of debris were transported down to the Columbia channel, enough to fill 500 miles of dumptrucks and in fact cause a ship to ground out??? In minutes trees were knocked down over an area of a hundred and fifty square miles. In the immediate zone arrays of gray blowdown trunks arranged like iron filings in the directions of that killing changing wind cover the slopes and look less like logs than an alternative cover or wrapping laid down in sweeping floats of hatchmarks at various angles??.Willow and cottonwood have come back where there are underground springs, and elk and deer have come back to browse on them which in turn has encouraged growth. I am a fool to waste consciousness wondering why growth so moves us. I had better say, "me." What the area and the mountain have most curiously "done" for years now is what most marks the scientists' reports of studies at Mt. St. Helens since the eruption of 1980. What the earth has done and (we like to think reciprocally) what we have done. It is new growth out of the ashes ???.Pocket gophers that actually survived the blast under large deposits of ash?a volcanic winter?helped the revegetation process. Almost all birds in the subalpine zone were killed instantly by the eruption; bird populations vary now with plant variety?Pine Creek was much affected because coniferous trees went down and with them seeds. Twenty lakes in the blast zone felt it in their chemistry, but microbial activity brought them back within the first two years. You find particular beetle species depending the particular "blast event" at that site: pyroclastic/debris site dominated by ground beetles and tiger beetles. (Our family knows that ground beetles hide during the day; is that how they survived? Tiger beetles hard to catch, sometimes green iridescent backs like a Tlingit mask, and will bite you, a child once told me.) The news and the research reports carry a similar reassurance?. http://www.ornl.gov/info/reporter/no16/lnjune_00.htm ???Virginia told Newsday that, of 286 plant species present before the eruption, 156 had re-established themselves on the debris avalanche by 1994. Areas that were strewn with huge, dead trees are now green again with head-high saplings. She and other researchers remarked on how rapidly many species reestablished themselves after such seemingly utter destruction, and the lessons it offered about other kinds of disturbances. ?The real value of all these studies is what we can learn about management for other human-created systems,? Virginia told The New York Times. ?We have strip mines and roadsides and all kinds of devastation created by human activities.? ????? http://www.rsiphotos.com/gallery_detail.php?CategoryID=6&PhotoID=90 Photos can be viewed at the above website. If you are interested in educating your woefully inadequate minds, I suggest you visit some of the above websites or find some on your own.
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Black Sheep
Well, I had my own chilifest, on my own
I wish I could have been there to help waste all those cans and bottles.