If You Could Have Had Bill Clinton As President For Another Term.....

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WhyNow2000

CLINTON 8 years = less than 80 died due to terrorism
BUSH 9 Months = more than 3,000 died due to terrorism
Longest economic expansion in American history More than 22 million new jobsMore than 22 million jobs were created in less than eight years -- the most ever under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous twelve years. Highest homeownership in American history Lowest unemployment in 30 years Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill Lowest crime rate in 26 years 100,000 more police for our streets
Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years
Higher incomes at all levels
Paid off $360 billion of the national debt
on and on and on...
Oh yeah....and he had SEX outside his marriage.....He was the WORST president.
catchthis

Hell yes. I partly judge a president by the way the country fares economically during his term. I would have to say that under Bill's supervision, I and many other people that I am related to and ones that I am good friends with, did much better financially in the workplace. As soon as GWB came into power, there went my job security. I would much rather have a sexually active president in the House anyday over a war-mongering one.
Someone mentioned Saddam's regime killing thousands of innocent people and that it was up to the USA to stop it. Ask yourself this: What was one of the main reasons for the USA invading Iraq? To liberate the Iraqi's? Isn't that right?? Am I correct? Then what the hell does the USA plan to do with these African countries that commit genocide on their own people? Where's the liberation of these people? I guess since the Congolese people do not have oil as a major export in their country, screw 'em right? They can't pay us back for helping them, so F'em. It's all about the Benjamins, not the people.
ohiocowboy

If you could have had Bill Clinton As president for another term.....
I wonder what Monica's answer would be.....Gulp
Double Edge

I wonder what Monica's answer would be.....Gulp
Yeah, do you suppose she could get her "job" back as an Intern?.... (the oldest intern on record)
Richie

WhyNow: You said......
CLINTON 8 years = less than 80 died due to terrorism (That's because Clinton did nothing to curb the threat of terrorism; he was a master appeaser and was swayed by public liberal opinion) BUSH 9 Months = more than 3,000 died due to terrorism (The terrorism - threat grew stronger because Clinton didn't do anything to curb that threat for many years - that's why Al-Qeaida became more organized and became a powerful terrorist danger, which exploded on Sept 11/01. Certainly NOT Bush's fault, but clearly due to Clinton's ineptness..... And let me show you some additional things Clinton has done to "glorify" his legacy:

- The only president ever impeached strictly on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most convictions and guilty pleas
- Most Cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most witnesses to die suddenly
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
Historical Context
- Number of independent counsel inquiries since the 1978 law was passed: 19
- Number that have produced indictments: 7
- Number that produced more convictions than the Starr investigation: 1
- Median length of investigations that have led to convictions: 44 months
- Length of Starr-Ray investigation (7/00): 67 months.
- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions to date (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 15
- Median cost per Starr investigation conviction: $3.5 million as of 3/00
- Total cost of the Starr investigation (3/00) $52 million
- Total cost of the Iran-Contra investigation: $48.5 million
- Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3
Crime Stats
- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of imprisonments: 14
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122 (9/99)
Smaltz Investigation
- Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15
- Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6
- Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million
- Cost of investigation: $22.2 million through 9/99
- Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million
- Amount Tyson Food still has in annual government contracts: $200 million
- Reasons individuals other than Espy went free: Concealing knowledge of gifts to Espy and his girlfriend (1), providing illegal gratuities to Espy(4), illegally supplementing the salary of a government official (2), concealing receipt of illegal funds on behalf of Espy (1) (Espy's chief of staff was sentenced to prison in this case)
Crimes for Which Convictions Have Been Obtained
Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery (4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts (1), illegal campaign contributions (5), money laundering (6), perjury, obstruction of justice.
Other Matters Investigated by Special Prosecutors
and Congress or Reported in the Media
Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, improper acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, improper futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, inviting drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime to the White House.
Unexplained Phenomena
- FBI files misappropriated by the White House: c. 900
- Estimated number of witnesses quoted in FBI files misappropriated by the White House: 18,000
- Number of witnesses who developed medical problems at critical points in Clinton scandals investigation (Tucker, Hale, both McDougals, Lindsey): 5
- Problem areas listed in a memo by Clinton's own lawyer in preparation for the president's defense: 40
- Number of witnesses and critics of Clinton subjected to IRS audit: 45
- Number of names placed in a White House secret database without the knowledge of those named: c. 200,000
- Number of persons involved with Clinton who have been beaten up: 2
- Number of women involved with Clinton who claim to have been physically threatened: 5 (Sally Perdue, Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Elizabeth Ward Gracen)
- Number of men involved in the Clinton scandals who have been beaten up or claimed to have been intimidated: 9
Arkansas Sudden Death Syndrome
- Number of persons in the Clinton orbit who are alleged to have committed suicide: 7
- Number known to have been murdered: 2
- Number who died in plane crashes: 11
- Number who died in automobile accidents: 3
- Number killed during Waco massacre: 4
- Number of key witnesses who have died of heart attacks while in federal custody under questionable circumstances: 1
- Number of medications being taken by Jim McDougal at the time he was placed in solitary confinement shortly before his death: 12
- Number of unexplained deaths: 3
- Total of above deaths: 31
- Number of northern Mafia killings during peak years of 1968-78: 30
- Number of Dixie Mafia killings during same period: 156
Arkansas Alzheimer's
- Number of times Hillary Clinton said "I don't recall" or its equivalent in a statement to a House investigating committee: 50
- Number of paragraphs in this statement: 42
- Number of times Bill Clinton said "I don't recall" or its equivalent in the released portions of the his testimony on Paula Jones: 271
- Total number of facts or events not recalled before official bodies by Bill Kennedy, Harold Ickes, Ricki Seidman, Bruce Lindsey, Bill Burton, Mark Gearan, Mack McLarty, Neil Eggleston, John Podesta, Jennifer O'Connor, Dwight Holton, Patsy Thomasson, Jeff Eller, Beth Nolan, Cliff Sloan, Bernard Nussbaum, George Stephanopoulous, Roy Neel, Rahm Emanuel, Maggie Williams, David Tarbell, Susan Thomases, Webster Hubbell, Roger Altman, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton: 6,125
- Average occurrence of memory lapse by top administration figures while before official bodies: 235
Arkansas Money Management
- Amount of an alleged electronic transfer from the Arkansas Development Financial Authority to a bank in the Cayman Islands during 1980s: $50 million
- Grand Cayman's population: 18,000
- Number of commercial banks: 570
- Number of bank regulators: 1
- Amount Arkansas state pension fund invested in high-risk repos in the mid-1980s in one purchase in April 1985: $52 million through the Worthen Bank.
- Number of days thereafter that the state's brokerage firm went belly up: 3
- Amount Arkansas pension fund dropped overnight as a result: 15 percent
- Percent of Worthen Bank that Mochtar Riady bought over the next four months to bail out the bank and the then-governor, Bill Clinton: 40 percent.
- Percent of purchasers from the Clintons and McDougals of resort lots who lost the land because of the sleazy financing provisions: more than 50 percent
The Media
- Number of journalists covering Whitewater who have been fired, transferred off the beat, resigned or otherwise gotten into trouble because of their work on the scandals (Doug Frantz, Jim Wooten, Richard Behar, Christopher Ruddy, Michael Isikoff, David Eisenstadt, Yinh Chan, Jonathan Broder, James R. Norman, Zoh Hieronimus): 10
Friends of Bill
- Number of times John Huang took the Fifth Amendment in answer to questions during a Judicial Watch deposition: 1,000
- Visits made to the White House by investigation subjects Johnny Chung, James Riady, John Huang, and Charlie Trie: 160
- Number of campaign contributors who got overnights at the White House in the two years before the 1996 election: 577
- Number of members of Thomas Boggs' law firm who have held top positions in the Clinton administration: 18
- Number of times John Huang was briefed by CIA: 37
- Number of calls Huang made from Commerce Department to Lippo banks: 261
- Number of intelligence reports Huang read while at Commerce: 500
Political Fallout
- GOP seats gained in House since Clinton became president: 60
- GOP seats gained in Senate since Clinton became president: 11
- GOP governorships gained since Clinton became president: 14
- GOP state legislative seats gained since Clinton became president: c. 500
- Democrat officeholders who have become Republicans since Clinton became president: 439
- Republican officeholders who have become Democrats since Clinton became president: 3
minimus

Gee, Richie makes a good case against Clinton.....Still, if you WANTED someone that would treat shady, Clinton was my guy.
minimus

Gee, Richie makes a good case against Clinton.....Still, if you WANTED someone that would treat you shady, Clinton was my guy.
Richie

And now to be fair, I will show you a little bit of George Bush' legacy as well in comparison to Clinton. The following summary was taken only around February 2003 and we know that the growth in the US economy has been going forward since then at a unprecedented rate.....
According to the statistics, he has actually decreased the national debt since last month, by about $6.5 billion.
Furthermore, Bush increased the national debt by 1.4 trillion dollars in his four years, Bill Clinton increased the national debt by $1.16 trillion in his first term, and Bush is on track to increase the national debt by $1.1 trillion during his first term, a little less than the hero of the major media himself, Bill Clinton.
By contrast, the president who is accused of ratcheting up the nation's debt to "astronomical proportions" according to his detractors, President Reagan, increased the debt by a "whopping" $700 billion in his first term, and an "outrageous" $1 trillion in his second term.
Compared to the current presidents, Reagan was a spendthrift!
Only Bill Clinton, who presided over a period of record government revenues, managed to keep the increase in the national debt to a relative minimum, with regard to recent history.
His contribution to the national debt in his second term was $450 billion - and that was after a record $216 billion payment in the year 2000.
On a percentage basis, we're looking even better under President Bush than the media would have you believe. The federal government has a history of increases in the national debt that are not too disparate, regardless of party, except for Clinton, and the predicted Bush results.
We had a
· 21% increase in the national debt from 1968 to 1972;
· 31% increase from 1972 to 1976;
· 30% increase from 1976 to 1980;
· 44% increase from 1980 to 1984;
· 36% increase from 1984 to 1988;
· 36% increase from 1988 to 1992;
· 22% increase from 1992 to 1996;
· an 8% increase during the Internet bubble of 1996 to 2000;
and we're on track for an 18% increase from 2000 to 2004, if the current numbers hold.
Were there to be a full economic recovery, rather than the anemic one we have going now, Bush's debt numbers may even go down. Now, we're not advocating increases to the national debt, but to single out George W., or even Ronald Reagan, for doing so is apparently, according to the numbers, unjustified.
Charts:
National debt at this minute:
02/07/2003 $6,394,625,504,295.45
Last month
01/31/2003 $6,401,376,662,047.32
Prior fiscal years
Date Amount
09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
12/31/1985 $1,945,941,616,459.88
12/31/1984 $1,662,966,000,000.00
12/31/1983 $1,410,702,000,000.00
12/31/1982 $1,197,073,000,000.00
12/31/1981 $1,028,729,000,000.00
12/31/1980 $930,210,000,000.00
12/31/1979 $845,116,000,000.00
12/29/1978 $789,207,000,000.00
12/30/1977 $718,943,000,000.00
12/31/1976 $653,544,000,000.00
12/31/1975 $576,649,000,000.00
12/31/1974 $492,665,000,000.00
12/31/1973 $469,898,039,554.70
12/29/1972 $449,298,066,119.00
12/31/1971 $424,130,961,959.95
12/31/1970 $389,158,403,690.26
Source: Bureau of the Public Debt
minimus

Well---That's it! Bush is best!
Yerusalyim

I didn't vote for him the first two times he ran, why bother with a third. In my opinion he disgraced the presidency.
CLINTON 8 years = less than 80 died due to terrorism And NO terroist attack answered, encouraging the terrorists
BUSH 9 Months = more than 3,000 died due to terrorism (And Clinton had three chances to kill the guy responsible, and didn't do it...though he did bomb a baby food factory and an aspirin factory) And EVERY terr
Longest economic expansion in American history But Bush has the Highest percentage growth of any president in 30 years, 8.2%. The Internet Bubble burst set the US up for a horrible fall, Clinton's people should have seen it coming. More than 22 million new jobsMore than 22 million jobs were created in less than eight years -- the most ever under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous twelve years. And how many lost when the Internet Bubble Burst? Highest homeownership in American history Except for now, and the number belongs to Bush, thanks to low interest rates Lowest unemployment in 30 years Current Unemployment is equal to Clinton's average Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill Lowest crime rate in 26 years Probably due to folks like Ruddy Guiliani 100,000 more police for our streets Sorry, it's not the federal governments job to fund local police....this was wasting money
Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years And we should continue to shrink them
Higher incomes at all levels Tell the Tech Stock Bubble Burst
Paid off $360 billion of the national debt With a Republican Congress, though he does get credit.
on and on and on...
Was he the worst ever? No, but he took a lot of credit for things he had nothing to do with, and continues to dodge responsibility for things he did, or failed to do.
ENRON, etc was encouraged in an environment where the President asks what the definition of is is.
Given a choice between Kerry and Clinton though, I'd take Clinton.

If You Could Have Had Bill Clinton As President For Another Term.....

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