Slip, Tishie turned her site over to randy so most of the same gang is there. I don't go there often but here's the URL you should recognize some there.
http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/128637
Ven
"To Be Patriotic, hate all nations but your own. To be religious, all sects but your own; to be moral, all pretenses but your own." Lionel Strachey.