Real Meaning fo Moscow Ban on JW's

by proplog2 30 Replies latest jw friends

  • proplog2
    proplog2

    Those in this forum who cheer the Russian ban on JW's are letting their personal feelings get in the way of seeing the significance of undemocratic behavior. I submit the following brief article from Washington Post June 18, 2004

    Veering From Reagan
    By Michael McFaul
    The writer is the Peter and Helen Bing senior fellow at the Hoover
    Institution and an associate professor of political science at Stanford
    University. He is co-author of "Power and Purpose: U.S. Policy Toward
    Russia After the Cold War."

    President Bush has tried to cast himself as the heir to Ronald Reagan's
    legacy. If he truly wants to pursue the objectives and strategies that
    Reagan embraced, then the wave of reflection on the late president's impact
    on foreign affairs should offer some important lessons about how to correct
    the current course.

    Thousands of commentators last week credited Reagan with ending the Cold
    War. Reagan most certainly contributed to this outcome. But his real goal
    for the communist world, stated repeatedly and consistently throughout his
    two terms, was to foster the ideas of liberty and democracy within the
    Soviet empire. He understood the spread of these ideas to be the best
    outcome for both the people living under tyranny and the countries in the
    West that were threatened by these dictatorships. As he said in his final
    year in office, "There is no true international security without respect
    for human rights. . . . The greatest creative and moral force in this new
    world, the greatest hope for survival and success, for peace and happiness,
    is human freedom."

    Reagan's vision for the post-communist world has not been completed.
    Liberal democracy has been consolidated in Eastern and Central Europe, the
    Baltic states and parts of the Balkans. But dictators still rule in
    Belarus, Central Asia and parts of the Caucasus, while the battle between
    dictatorship and democracy continues in Russia, Ukraine, and parts of the
    Balkans and Caucasus. Nowhere is this battle more important than in Russia,
    because if that country eventually returns to autocratic rule, the rest of
    the region will once again be threatened by an imperial Moscow.Bush shows little concern for Reagan's chief goal of 20 years ago. Reagan,
    even while praising Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev for introducing
    political reforms in the Soviet Union, warned in a speech to students at
    Moscow State University in 1988: "We should remember that reform that is
    not institutionalized will always be insecure. Such freedom will always be
    looking over its shoulder. A bird on a tether, no matter how long the rope,
    can always be pulled back." Even at the height of goodwill between the
    United States and the Soviet Union in 1988, Reagan was not afraid to
    encourage Gorbachev to do more to help secure freedom.

    Reagan was prophetic. Vladimir Putin has taken advantage of poorly
    institutionalized reforms to roll back Russian democracy. Yet Bush seems
    indifferent. Over the past four years, Putin has closed down all the
    independent press of national significance, harassed and arrested human
    rights activists, rigged elections, and continued to wage an inhumane war
    in Chechnya. Yet Bush praises Putin as an ally in the fight against
    terrorism and a man with a vision for Russia "in which democracy and
    freedom and the rule of law thrive." Rather than speak the truth about
    Russia's autocratic drift, Bush seems content to maintain his personal
    relationship with Putin, even if it comes at the expense of his principles
    -- not exactly Reagan's approach to foreign policy.

    Reagan never changed his principles. But he did change strategies when he
    decided that his current course was not working. In his first years in
    office, Reagan shunned all contacts with the evil communists in the
    Kremlin, believing that total confrontation was the best strategy for
    pursuing his objective of regime change inside the Soviet Union. Soon after
    George Shultz became secretary of state in 1982, however, Reagan changed
    course and opted for a strategy of engagement. After Reagan discerned that
    Gorbachev was a new kind of leader, he stepped up these efforts.

    In contrast, Bush seems incapable of changing course and seizing
    opportunities. Sept. 11 offered such an opportunity, yet ironically, the
    agenda of engagement between the United States and Russia today is much
    smaller and less ambitious than the one Reagan pursued with Gorbachev.
    Together with Gorbachev, Reagan pushed for radical reductions in nuclear
    weapons; Bush seems intent on developing new kinds of nuclear weapons and
    therefore seeks no new agreement with the Russians. Reagan called for more
    exchanges between Russians and Americans; Bush's budget cuts support for
    such contact. Bush has even failed to retire some Cold War remnants such as
    the Jackson-Vanik amendment to the 1974 Trade Act (which rightly linked
    Russia's trade status to Jewish emigration, a problem that no longer
    exists), all because of disagreements with the Russians about chicken exports.

    In short, there's not a lot of vision in Bush's Russia policy. A final and
    most important lesson to remember from Reagan was that he and his
    administration eventually engaged the Soviets on arms control, but never at
    the cost of abandoning his agenda of human rights and democracy. Reagan
    understood that the supposed trade-off between pursuing arms control (or,
    if he were alive today, cooperating in the war on terrorism) and pushing
    for human rights and democracy was false. As Shultz writes in his memoirs:
    "We were determined not to allow the Soviets to focus our negotiations
    simply on matters of arms control. So we continuously adhered to a broad
    agenda: human rights, regional issues, arms control, and bilateral issues."

    If Bush wants to cast his foreign policy as the continuation of Reagan's
    legacy, he too must pursue a strategy of dual-track diplomacy. The United
    States has strategic interests that require the Kremlin's cooperation, such
    as the dismantling and control of Russia's nuclear arsenal, the integration
    of Russia and Eurasia in international economic and security institutions,
    and the development of energy resources and multiple pipelines in Eurasia
    to reduce the West's dependence on oil from the Middle East. Yet a
    president committed to advancing Reagan's legacy would pursue these
    interests while promoting democracy and human rights in Russia and the
    consolidation of sovereignty and democracy in the states bordering Russia.

    *******

    The ban on JW's is just a footnote to the potential tragedy that is unfolding in Russia. I look forward to the day when all religion rooted in Books that promote violent customs (The Bible & The Koran) are abandoned by an enlightened human race. But humans aren't ready to do that and it certainly cannot be done by legal or other governmental authorities. If the current trend in Russia continues the world will pay dearly in a new round of the distractions of world wars and needless suffering.

  • proplog2
    proplog2

    All of you who think the Moscow ban is just wonderful are letting your witness hating get out of hand.

    Who do you think benefits from that ban? The Russian Orthodox Church. Now there is a real exemplary buch of child molesters. Just do some research on google. Search for:

    RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CRIMES and you might want to experiment with MOLESTATION and ABUSE.

    You will get enough material to make you forget about those "terrible JW's"

  • ColdRedRain
    ColdRedRain

    I agree with that article except for one thing. The author fogot, we're fighting a war against another autocratic religion. I think it's called Islam or something...

  • Junction-Guy
    Junction-Guy

    I guess the real meaning of the JW ban in moscow is that thousands of kids are spared from being reared in an isolationist and dysfunctional environment and now may have the opportunity to have a normal childhood, or as close to normal as one can have in moscow

  • richard
    richard
    thousands of kids are spared from being reared in an isolationist and dysfunctional environment and now may have the opportunity to have a normal childhood

    Junction, be careful not to generalize on childhood experiences. I, for one, had a great childhood - and some of my JW friends as well - since our parents (2nd generation JWs) had found their own way in their belief and the org. Looking back, I think they were liberal JWs. Their maxim was "f**k the org & elders" and they somehow managed to have a life of their own. They let me go to college, have friends outside the org and all that. Eventually, I disagreed with the tenets of the org and left. Later, I found that many others had similar 'liberal' experiences as I had. Mind you, I am not sure if I am part of a minority who did not suffer from adverse childhood experiences. I just want to point out that they exist.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    The first responsibility of any government is to protect the citizens of the country from predators foreign or domestic.

    The Russian government has stepped up to that responsibility, in spite of the Watchtower's whining about "freedom of religion," behind which freedom it has hidden for years. The Watchtower Society uses their "freedom of religion" to deny freedom to their membership. They are a poisonous element in the Russian community.

    The BLOOD WORSHIPPERS of The Watchtower Society are asking the Russian government for a permit to sacrifice children.

    The "Spiritual Leaders" of The Watchtower Society are asking for a permit to destroy families through their practice of disfellowshipping.

    The so-called "Brothers of Christ" in The Watchtower Society are asking for a permit to create divisions in the Russian community by promoting their bogus claims of superiority.

    The non-producers of value at the top of The Watchtower Society are asking for a permit to suck some fiscal benefits from the Russian community to provide for the support of false prophets and liars.

    The Russian Court has wisely said "NYET" to these requests.

  • richard
    richard

    The Russians banned the Salvation Army as well, so I guess their wisdom is undisputed ...

  • Junction-Guy
    Junction-Guy

    I imagine some children had a good childhood, but believe that to be the minority. Any child who believed it whole heartedly growing up probably dealt with it better during that time. But what about those of us who had our doubts and grew up wishing their parents could escape from that nightmare. I would have given anything back then if my Dad would have stepped down as an Elder and disasociated himself. It truly was a living nightmare for me being stuck in a religion I wanted no part of, and having no real prrof at the time as this was before the internet. Time eventually proved their doctrine false, but I had already lost out on my childhood and theres no way to recover it.I wish I could just tell my father exactly how I feel and let the chips fall where they may

    Dave

  • richard
    richard

    Junction - (We're getting slightly off-topic). Nevertheless, it appears that some parents had a choice between being servile to the org & elders or following their own conscience. I'm glad mine did the latter. I feel sorry for those who were reared by the former.

  • Eyebrow2
    Eyebrow2

    I think banning JWs in Russia is a BAD thing...even though many here think it is a cult, that is just one of the eaiser religions to target...and then more mainstream religions could be next....and maybe that may not be a bad thing to some, but I think it is just wrong. If they can do it to religion, what are the next groups that will be targeted? I think it is bad form, really.

    Also, banning JWs is fuel for their fire of "we are persecuted so we are true" belief.

    Oddly, I have heard nothing about this from my family that are JWs..have any of you?

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