best evidence youve found to turn someone

by crizlee 13 Replies latest jw friends

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  XQsThaiPoes

  Truthfuly. Nothing will help you. JWs is a religion. Religion is not based on truth but lore. It is the totality of this lore that is called "truth". Trying to make a person leave a religion that they love by exposing some trivial detail is like trying to make a person not like their favorite movie because the chracters are actors. Sure with childern this works. Tell them santa is not real and the no longer want to sit on his lap. But you tell the adult bringing the child to sit on santas lap he is not real... you get the idea.

  RIght now you probally are at a "economic" situation being a JW is just too expensive for you. Youll wait till it comes out on video or cable or you may think is not worth being paid to watch. So in short looking for "evidence" is a waste of time. Unless it is just a hobby.

  Think of it if there was no reason to not be a JW why is critical information something to be avoided. Because everyone knows that they are simply JWs due to belief when they get tired of believing then they will just make some excuses and leave. The more evidence the better your excuses to got about you
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  DanTheMan

  I'm not out to drag any JW out of the troof. I think many of them need the illusion and would not be able to handle the devastation of disillusionment. Lord knows I haven't fared very well since my eyes were opened to what a complete sham it all is.

  1975 and other failed predictions, the 'new light' in 1995 regarding the 1914 generation, blood fractions, Mexico/Malawi double-standard, shunning of family members, gossippy unloving congregations, egotistical elders, Satan Satan Satan, The Finished Mystery, high rates of depression, the do-more mantra at service meetings and conventions, embarrassing magazines (the 'Help for Arthritis Sufferers' issue of the Awake! comes to mind) all these things were issues that factored into my leaving JW's in disgust.

  But if a JW is happy and not willing to seriously consider evidence that it ain't the truth, there's really no point. Their mind is made up and they will not be confused by the facts.
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  Cassiline

  whats the best evidence youve found to make someone fall out of the truth?

  Not a thing until they are ready to accept there is something out there or wrong. Nothing will convience until they are ready to hear IMO, no matter what has happened.

  Cassi
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  Markfromcali

  Hi Crizlee,

  Honestly, I don't think evidence or any kind of information is where its at. As far as I'm concerned that just doesn't go that deep, besides on the level of information processing it depends as much on how your mind would process it as it does on the input of information. So even if we can generalize in terms of the average JW mind, the fact is its just information.

  I would say a more experiential aspect is more powerful and more real for people, and that is whether it allows for free expression of life. Of course I do not mean being heathenistic immoral people or something, but the bible itself says the truth (the real one, of course) will set you free. So the question is do you feel you are free? Being free is not taking the opposite position, so when I see someone with a free mind I tend not to be too concerned about their position as far as the JWs are concerned, so long as they don't have that area cornered off like some untouchable holy cow. I think its more valuable to encourage freely exercising the mind in all sorts of ways, even things you may not want to look at. The more fundamental problem is people are used to thinking in a particular frame of mind and limiting themselves to that way of thinking.