The Watchtower is Frightened ...of Biblical Flags!

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  • metatron
    metatron

    In the Aug. 1 Wt, in a secondary article on Numbers, the following paragraph appears:

    "What were "the signs" around which the three-tribe divisions were to encamp in the wilderness?

    The Bible does not give a description of what these signs were. However, they were not regarded

    as sacred symbols or given religious significance." (pg 24)

    The Watchtower is scared that these "signs" were , in fact, flags!

    The Hebrew word "de'gel" is commonly translated as "banner". Jewish tradition,

    the Talmud, the Targums and the Dead Sea Scrolls seem to strongly support the idea

    that the Hebrews saw nothing wrong with identifying themselves, as tribe or nation,

    by flags. (see Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Eccesiastical Literature

    under "Flags" or "Standards"). Now, why did the Hebrews likely choose to use flags

    rather than statues or icons attached to a pole? The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia

    (vol 2 pg 66) tells us: "On the other hand, de'gel came to mean 'banner' at a comparatively

    early period; it is probable that in view of the prohibition against graven images, the early

    Israelites made use of banners as their standards".

    So, the Hebrews likely used banners TO AVOID idolatry!

    As to evidence that a flag is meant, "the proper root..."standard", "signal", or "banner"

    is occasionally used for "sail", as in Isaiah 33:23." ( The Zondervan Pictorial Encyclopedia

    vol 5 pg 512). Even the Watchtower translates "de'gel" as "banner" as in Song of Solomon

    2:4. In Isa. 59:19, in some translations, the verse may convey the idea of a "standard"

    (a banner) being raised or driven by "the breath of the Lord", as any flag would be moved

    by the wind.

    In the end, an idol is only an idol because of the individual's viewpoint about it, and not

    any particular ceremony.

    Clearly, as this Watchtower shows, the Society is well aware of what facts it is hiding.

    They're afraid their flock might find out - and undermine their enforced ( disfellowshippping)

    opinion about flag salutes.

    metatron

  • patio34
    patio34

    Excellent Metatron! I remember some disputing about this in the past--use of flags. This would greatly undermine their position towards modern-day flags wouldn't it?

    Thanks!

    Pat

  • allpoweredup
    allpoweredup

    In three if not more places in the New World translation the word "banners" is used and in a matter-of-fact or positive context. Banners are flags.

  • seattleniceguy
    seattleniceguy

    Very interesting, metatron. You know, when you think about stuff like this, the WT just seems sillier and sillier all the time.

    SNG

  • observador
    observador
    Clearly, as this Watchtower shows, the Society is well aware of what facts it is hiding.
    They're afraid their flock might find out - and undermine their enforced ( disfellowshippping) opinion about flag salutes.

    Sorry, Metra, but the Society never said (I don't think) that the problem is putting up a flag. The problem is to give it devotion, to salute it.

    So, if the these signs prove to be flags, a loyal JW could very well say "fine, no where in the Bible reads that they saluted it. So, the Society is right".

    But I agree with you that the Society is not being honesty here. They could very well say that those "signs" were flags and still hold on to their current stance, as bogus as it is.

    Observador.

  • TallTexan
    TallTexan

    Excellent!

  • Pleasuredome
    Pleasuredome

    even in 'song of solomon', it metions companies of soldiers with colours/banners/standards in a positive way. 6:4

  • gitasatsangha
    gitasatsangha

    Observador:

    The watchtower society says clearly that saluting the flag is idolotry, ergo the flag IS an idol according to WTS dogma.

    By the same token, imagine you decided to by a statue of the Virgin Mary. You put it on your shelf, but do not venorate it. You only have it because you find it pretty and it reminds you of Mary's good qualities. The Society would still regard it as an idol, and if you were a witness you would be told to get rid of it. They might even imply at it contained demons.

    Flags are idols to the Watchtower. There is no way around it, barring "New Light"

  • observador
    observador

    Hi Gita.

    Your comparison of a flag to the Virgin Mary it's not a good one. Please allow me to explain:

    there are a number of different types of flags. Some people have a flag of their favorite sports team. Ships have identifying flags. Some people even put up flags to celebrate the different seasons of the year. And, of course, there the national flags. From those, only the national flags are the ones that people salute.

    I never saw a person saluting, say, his sports team flag.

    Were those flags put up by the tribes in Israel national flags? I doubt it. Were those flags idolized? I doubt it. They could have erected flags for idenification purposes, for example.

    Idolizing, by saluting, a national flag is what the WT opposes.

    Observador.

  • RandomTask
    RandomTask

    But don't celebrate birthdays, because they are in the bible with bad context...

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