Unbelievable abuse case in Canada!

by morrisamb 21 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

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  Lady Lee

  Yes it is disgusting. The boys deserved better. When a parent or guardian treats one child (in this case her biological child) better than she treated these boys then how on earth can you say it wasn't intentional. Favoritism is an intentional act by a parent to punish a child and make them feel unworthy.

  I by no means support this sentence. But I may offer some ideas why.

  Canada is notoriously behind when it comes to dealing with child abuse legally. In protection and treatment is it probably quite similar to the US. But the laws have not caught up to the rest of the system in treatment and protection.

  Based on the laws that may be in existence (and I'm not a lawyer so don't quote me) the problems of pleading down, reducing charges and ancient laws may tie the judges hands.

  When I took my father to court for 3 yrs of sexual abuse he was given the standard 3 yr suspended sentence and a $50 fine. That was back in the 60's. I know of other cases around that time and since then that the same kind of slap-on-the-wrist sentences were handed down.

  We need to change our laws. We need to educate people about abuse - what is it exactly not generally. We need to educate the police force and the criminal justice sytem about the incredible damage done by abuse and how it is the foundation of so many of our social problems. We need to offer free treatment to the victims and make sure the abuser are not out on the street free to harm others.

  We definitely need to educate our judges but they still can only do so much unless we work to change the laws they use to decide their cases

  My heart goes out to these boys and to the other children in the family. Watching this had to have an impact on them too.

  This judge in particular needs an education badly
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  morrisamb

  I was talking to a guy last night about the story..he goes, what good would putting them in jail for longer do? [Dah!] They'd just come out bitter, he says.

  Lordy, some people don't get it.

  Why do people do these things? Because they can. Not necessarily because they couldn't help themselves. Why do people believe so many abusers become born again just before judgement day? They know a lot more about choices then people give them credit for!

  PS. Thanks Talespin for your comments...really appreciate it!
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  Lady Lee

  They know a lot more about choices then people give them credit for!

  Excellent poing that I have been driving home for a lot of years.

  The first time the abuse happens I can agree that it "might" be a lack of control. But the moment they realize they could be in trouble for their actions and seek out ways to protect themselves by keeping it a secret it is no longer a matter of lack of control. The second time is premeditated. They need to make sure the victim won't talk so they start the mind control. They need access to the child so they start the manipulation.

  Acts of continued abuse are premeditated, well thought out plans to get what they want and not get caught doing it and keeping the victim quiet
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  RunningMan

  The nine month sentence is actually overstating it. According to the article in my local paper, only 2/3 of most sentences are ever served, and they are eligible for parole after serving 1/3. Then, don't forget that they have already served 10 days after their original arrest - they could, and likely will, be out in 20 days.
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  morrisamb

  You are so right, Running Man...good point..how must those boys feel?

  Thanks for your comments Lady Lee
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  sunshineToo

  If you have a kid, stay away from Canada.

  I was thinking the same thing, bebu. I think Canada is the paradise for molesters/abusers.
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  Euphemism

  I was talking to a guy last night about the story..he goes, what good would putting them in jail for longer do? [Dah!] They'd just come out bitter, he says.

  So does he feel the same way about all criminals?

  You can argue about the effectiveness of prison sentences and our general system of criminal justice. But to imply, as the judge did, that what these people did was not so bad because they allegedly had "good intentions" is beyond bizarre.

  And Yeru... liberals have been at the forefront of the fight against domestic violence and abuse in this country. So just for once, can we please keep partisan swipes out of it?
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  SheilaM

  Jesus flamin friggin CHRIST what is wrong with that judge....
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  Lehaa

  What the F***!

  Those poor kids, going through all that, then put in separate foster homes. Having to verbalise what they went through, probably over and over. Then waiting three years for the court case, probably having to testify in court, be cross examined. Going through all that and their parents only getting nine months. That's just horroble.

  If the parents had stolen something or been convicted of fraud they would have gotten a lot more than that. Again just another example of how the justice system does not work. Why would anyone else come forward and charge their parents with abuse, why go through all that just to have the judge slap you in the face and tell you your life was worth nothing.

  No wonder people take matters into their own hands.

  Those people should have been given at least 15 years, time equivalent to the time they abused their kids.
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  talesin

  If you have a kid, stay away from Canada.
  

  I was thinking the same thing, bebu. I think Canada is the paradise for molesters/abusers.

  http://www.childhelpusa.org/abuseinfo_stats.htm

  and I quote:

  FATALITIES

  Each day in the United States, more than 3 children die as a result of child abuse in the home.1

  In 2001, an estimated 1,300 children died of abuse and neglect-an average of more than 3 children per day. (Victims known to child protective services agencies, which track abuse and neglect in the home.)1

  Most of the children who die are younger than six years of age.1

  Of these fatalities, 84.5 percent were under the age of six; 41 percent of the children were under the age of one.1

  More children (age four and younger) die from child abuse and neglect than any other single, leading cause of injury death for infants and young children. 2

  This includes falls, choking on food, suffocation, drowning, residential fires, and motor vehicle accidents. 2

  Glass houses, stones, etc.