We need solid advice from former Elders

by peacefulpete 54 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    Almost unbelievably after 4 years of staying away from the Hall and the JWs last week they called and said there were allegations of apostasy against us. We have been very quiet about our feelings and so were very surprised and angered. We were told that they were going to discuss the allegation and determine if we would be formally accused of apostasy. We were invited to meet with them but they refused to tell us anything about the allegations. About a year ago my wife's parents insisted upon knowing why she had left, she send an email with a link to the UN site and news articles. After a year we found out he forwarded it to the Elders in his hall and charged us with apostasy. It has crushed my wife to be betrayed by her father who has always been a gentle man. Not wanting to be grilled about believing in the FDS we each chose to write a contrite and truthful letter that explained we were having serious doubts and questions but desired to be left alone to our thoughts as we had requested a number of times through the years. Tonight we got a call and told us they just had a hearing and disfellowshipped us. WE WERE NEVER TOLD THE RESULT OF THE PRELIMINARY MEETING. Nor were we told what the charges were or that they were proceding and needed to be present to defend ourselves. Neither of us give a flying fig about the matter other than that this will crush my parents, we are their primary caregivers. They will abide by the heehaw court regardless of their feelings. I told the elder on the phone he should be ashamed and that I was appealing the decision because they lacked grounds and mishandled the case.

    Does anyone have good advice about the angle to take to reverse the ruling? What takes place at an appeals hearing? I realize the good ol boy mentality that prevails among elders in the circuit and have no reason to believe they will even try to reconsider the evidence. I have never in my short experience as an elder had to deal with an appeal. Is the new comitee expected to reconsider the evidence or is it like an inquiry to determine only if the previous commitee had followed the rules? I intend to repeat the words "doubt" and "unsure" alot and act they way they want to see me, as a broken spirit. I hate playing the game, it goes against everything I believe in but I can't let them destroy my family without a fight.

    Serious advice only please.......................

  • Lehaa
    Lehaa

    I have never been through an apeals case before so I don't know what to say.

    I feel for you and know how horrible it must be for you.

    Tha only advice I can give is keep your own opinions close to you and just let them know that although you are having doubts you have never discussed theese with members of the congregation. The email that your wife sent to her father was not to try and sway him but just explaining your doubts.

    I have no idea what else to say but that I'm thinking of you and hope all goes well.

    Hopefully some ex elders will be able to give you some more helpful advice.

    Lehaa.

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    You have no grounds to appeal. Many have tried, none have won (for this charge).

    As one of our friends always says, "It's their ball game, their team, their field, their ball, their rules. If you want to be on the team, you play by the rules or you are kicked out of the game."

    You broke the rules.

    I know of many who were disfellowshipped and were never even notified of a hearing. They can do it. It's their ball game.

  • Poztate
    Poztate
    About a year ago my wife's parents insisted upon knowing why she had left, she send an email with a link to the UN site and news articles.

    Sorry I am not a former elder....However if this is the reason you were DF'ed I find it very flimsy.The fact of the matter is you were STUMBLED by the fact that the WT decided to become a NGO.

    Over many years the WT has picked on religions and the Roman Catholics esp for being part of the UN.They have always said UNTIL lately that the UN was the ORG that would turn on JW's and try to destroy them.They would never be part of this ORG.

    HOWEVER...The fact of the matter is for about 10 years they had the EXACT same relationship with the UN as had all other RELIGIONS..... NGO...

    ASK them to explain this...

    I feel though that at the end of the day they will do with you what they wish...The reality is that they are a COMPANY out to make a buck and they do not give a shit about you.

  • StinkyPantz
    StinkyPantz

    I've never heard of an appeal working; don't waste your time.

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    It may be as simple as that but I feel very wronged not to have been even given opportunity to defend ourselves at the actual hearing. I must try. The costs are too great my mother is already on anti depressants because of our not going to the Hall.

  • XQsThaiPoes
    XQsThaiPoes

    Write a letter for an appeal. You have 7 days since they told you. Get a copy of the July 1 2004 watchtower "Go make Diciples" par 9 and "teach them to observe all the things i have comanded you" par 16. Hurry do it now. Even if you are not into JWism it is wrong to get ambushed like that and let them get away with it.

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    XQs...we don't get the mags anymore and havent for a few years. Can you or anyone tell me what is in that WT article that bears of this? Thanks in advance.

  • XQsThaiPoes
    XQsThaiPoes

    Oh btw I can give your a number PO here he can talk to you PM me. I am in california, but I have know him to get people reinstated in other states. Go to the elder that called your house and ask for the article.

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    Can you PM me that number?

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