Strange Exodus - Twelfth & Final Installment

by Frannie Banannie 35 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Frannie Banannie
    Frannie Banannie
    Don't feel that your main point was lost, it isn't at all. It is just complex I think. And of course, if you ask 50 people for an opinion, you will get 50 different answers,

    I spoke to my family about your posts (up to the 11th installment) and we began to talk about some strange things that happened regarding "visions" my hubby and daughter had whilst we were going to church (baptist).

    I remember one night, my daughter waking me up hysterical, saying she saw a "man with a knife" looking over me while I slept. She was inconsolable...

    My hubby saw strange things also over the course of our church goings, both nightmarish, and strangly comforting. (dreams of entering heaven, etc).

    They swear they happened, and the experiences are very real to them, though they seem strange and unreal to me.

    Religion demands a total commitment on the part of the member. In the jw religion, this is amplified due to the emphasis put on members to depend entirely on the fds interpretation since god is using only them. You are constantly reminded to heed all information given because "jehovah is using his channel". They call this "food at the proper time" because the primal value of food is life sustaining....you cannot live without eating....you cannot live without food from hover.

    This becomes the lifeline to someone who believes the jw dogma. It is no wonder that you held on for dear life, especially after you were rejected. You still hung on and didnt wanna "starve to death". So the bible became your foodsource, only you had to make your own interpretations.

    The wt has printed that if one were to not use their lit for a few months, that one would "revert to apostacy" ie, you would not see things the same as the group. I think that may be what happened to you. You began to see all the differences between what the bible says, and what the tower says, and I think it was life altering and destabilizing.

    In short, you went through deprogramming, without aid of others. All by yourself and without any support system. That is traumatic on any level.Bolstering my opinion is that you seem to be balanced out now. Funny how something so simple as a permanant roof over our heads can make us secure ( I am thinking of your housing crises over the years). Also, facing all those hard times alone with nobody in the world to help....my heart breaks for what you went through....

    Since the first day you arrived on jwd, I have admired you. I felt you were so strong and you just stood out to me as lovable and centered. After reading your life story, I know that I was right in my assessment.

    Gawrsh, LittleWitch, you're right, of course...I forget how complex it was, because it all came together for me at last...but even that took a while.....Maybe I should make another thread and take a poll, listing the points made and see how many "got it," eh?

    You're right about the rest of it, too, LW....except....my support system was....better leave that for the points in the poll thread...but don't cry for me, LW....it had to be done...it's like a child that wants to smoke....and the parent, knowing how bad the habit is, gives the child all the cigarettes or cigars it can handle and says, "Now smoke! Smoke 'em ALL....keep smoking, don't stop!" Till the kid is ready to puke....result? Lesson learned.

    About that last part? ...thanks, cher

    Frannie B

  • cyber-sista
    cyber-sista
    Don't feel that your main point was lost, it isn't at all. It is just complex I think. And of course, if you ask 50 people for an opinion, you will get 50 different answers,

    I agree, so here is one of my attempts to process your story. I have many more ideas on it which I could write a report on, but here's just one.

    Frannie I think you have a seeking and intelligent mind and a sensitivity that made you especially susceptible to the leadings of the WT cult thinking.

    When I was a young child I saw a science fiction movie, which effected me for years. Every night I checked under my beds and in my closet and even said a prayer in my mind in regard to the things I had seen in this movie in order to protect myself from the visions I had experienced while watching the movie. I dreamed about it and thought about it a lot and always before bed. I had reviewed it so many times in my mind that it became a reality to me.

    Many I knew in the Org were convinced of many strange things. One brother could feel the demons and would leave a restaurant in a sweat if he suspected they were hanging out in that particular building (and he was an elder). Many JWs claimed that they could feel God's spirit working in their lives (sometimes in rather bizarre ways). Some of this was brought on by power of suggestion--some by the constant programming done by the religion--some of it exasberated by overly active imaginations or some form of mental, emotional, or character weakness or inbalance. Whatever it was the relgion of the JWs is so wacko it like a brain virus that can cause even a "normal" person to have some degree of delusional thinking. The whole religion is delusional, so just being a part of it is bound to have an impact to one degree or another.

    I am glad you are out of it Frannie. The human mind is a wonder. Sometimes it processes information that we feed into it in bizarre ways, especially if this information is disturbing to us. We have dreams at night which are at time symbolic of what we are thinking and feeling and speak to us in ways that can at times be interpretated. I have had several dreams, which I have shared with a psycologist who has studied dreams and their interpretation. Since leaving the Org I have had many bizarre dreams pertaining to the Org. It is my brain trying to process the information and make some sense out of it. Some of these dreams have been profound interpretations of things that have happened to me and understanding them has given me further insights into my true feelings about things that have happened. If a person is deeply disturbed over things that have happened to them they can have waking dreams too--visions of things that their minds are trying to sort through and interpret in the light of day.

    It has been a wild ride Frannie Bananie and I am glad you came through it. I appreciate you sharing your story here. I think it has a lot of meaning. Even if much of it was delusional and somewhat cryptic thinking this is the way your brain was processing it and trying to sort through and make sense of it and you have a very interesting brain! You would make a great writer (you are a great writer). You would also be a great detective or scientific researcher--your mind picks up clues and details that would be overlooked by most.

    Love you Frannie,

    cybs

  • Frannie Banannie
    Frannie Banannie

    Cybs, I thank you for your comments and kudos.....I also have a more pointed analogy of the things that happened to me....perhaps you'll find it of interest.....

    In viewing my experiences from a point of view other than the socially-acceptable psychological one, it could be that the word of God IS alive and exerts power.....setting matters straight......that a "tree" (ie: book) IS a mere exhortation of vanities, adorned with carvings (printed engravings) of seal verse (silver) in apt pulls (apples) of ghouled (spirit-begotten)....and that the trees of the knowledge of what is good and what is bad, which equal 66, according to the Kabala.....and the only begotten son of (the word), which also equals 66, according to the Kabala.....are the same as the number of books in the bible.......66......and that it might be time to reconsider that very first commandment concerning the tree of knowledge.....and discontinue "eating" or imbibing from its sparkling contents.....those "too-wedgied words"......of which there are two tables.....OR.....that finding a pile of manure fertilizing a tree doesn?t necessarily mean someone has given you a pony to ride.

    Frannie B

  • Sentinel
    Sentinel

    Dear Frannie,

    I read all your Installments, and can only conclude that you are now completely well balanced and stable. As someone else wisely said, you were finally able to "deprogram" yourself. You laid your experiences out like a blanket for all to see, and that takes strength.

    It would not be appropriate to judge anything that you perceived as your experience, or your "truth". The dark night of the journey of the soul takes us places that are very dark indeed, so that when we see the light, we will know where to turn.

    The mind is very complex. To retrain ourselves, change our cognitive behavior, and our "untrue perceptions" takes a very determined individual. Who can truly say whether or not at some points of our journey that we are "mentally sick". Perhaps we have to be brought very low, because that is the only way we can see that spark of light out of our "tomb". People speak about being "reborn" and having an "epiphany", and I believe that does happen. We just don't know how to describe this new creation that we have become.

    Once the stories are told, they need not be told again. That part of our journey is gone. The path is set and we are on it. What inner joy and peace this brings, even amid the unhappy times of being human and suffering, etc. that we experience. We are sharpened like a sword to dash away the negative, and to concentrate on the greatest gift we can give to ourselves and others: to show love and compassion.

    I'm so proud of you, Frannie! You are a candle in the wind!!

    Love,

    Karen

  • Frannie Banannie
    Frannie Banannie

    Karen, as you noted....it's a very intimate and individualized sojourn, eh? Thank you so much for your encouraging words! It really feels good to be through with it....and more so after the "telling".....

    Hugs,

    Frannie B

  • zen nudist
    zen nudist

    we are dreaming now.... see my image of what I mean-- www.geocities.com/jiohdi/reality.jpg

    the world we KNOW is a reconstruction... a summary about 40 bits out of 11million processed.... its more of a guess at times than anything else...

    I have looked at a road sign, read real words, looked back to find it saying something else entirely.... try reading something in your peripheral view... its next to impossible as you are not really seeing it, your mind is making it up to a large degree and words are just a blur.

    what we KNOW is an activated map... the images on that map are our own invention and need not resemble reality one bit and there is no easy way to tell if they ever match reality at all... we assume they do because whatever we are experiencing is the only reality we have to worry about and so there is no point for many to go beyond dealing with it....many get angry at the suggestion that what they are experiencing may be their own invention and nothing more.

    while you sleep the memory is sort of turned off, but not quite, the mind still attempts to make sense of signals surrounding you but now within a context of memories more than a context of a world shared with others...and that attempt produces a what we call the dream world....

    while awake the elements of this dream world are still there, but by comparison to signals from the senses it seems ghostly and almost invisible...but given the right drug or wrong drug (^_^) and that changes and it becomes difficult to distinguish a ideal from a object in the shared world.... religiously inspired emotional turmoil is more than sufficient to tip the balance and make people have visions and hallucinations and possibily even discover a set of channels on our mental TV set we never knew existed which taps into a source we cannot trace.... but we only assume we trace the standard channels now... we really dont know the actual source of the world we seem to share.[see my picture again]

    demons, gods, devils, and other entities may be as real as your neighbor, but your neighbor may not be more real than a thought.

    experiences are real, our beliefs about them may or may not be.... accepting uncertainty is honest.

  • Frannie Banannie
    Frannie Banannie
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    I tried, Zen Nudist....interesting analogy, though....very interesting....

    Frannie B

  • cyber-sista
    cyber-sista
    OR.....that finding a pile of manure fertilizing a tree doesn?t necessarily mean someone has given you a pony to ride.

    Frannie you are too funny. Yes, not all is that it appears to be, but sometimes there is still a deeper meaning to it all, even though at first it may just appear as manure on the ground. Then again, manure helps plantlife to grow up strong and to bear fruit in its proper season. (Now you've got me thinking in "Frannie speak!")

  • Frannie Banannie
    Frannie Banannie
    Then again, manure helps plantlife to grow up strong and to bear fruit in its proper season. (Now you've got me thinking in "Frannie speak!")

    LOL, Cybs! hmmmmm.....

    Cheers!

    Frannie B

  • zen nudist
    zen nudist
    I tried, Zen Nudist....interesting analogy, though....very interesting....

    it only allows so many per hour to view it...but maybe the link I wrote was wrong

    one more time

    www.geocities.com/jiohdi/reality.jpg

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