Strange Exodus - Twelfth & Final Installment

by Frannie Banannie 35 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Frannie Banannie
    Frannie Banannie

    Summer, 2004

    Here I am. It?s 14 years since those first two dream/visions that got the "ball rolling" in this adventure. The end result?

    The bottom line is twofold......I?ve come out of the organization, "Steppfordville," though not for the reasons that I had first thought I was leaving....but....I?ve also given up (let go of) the scriptures, something I had never thought I would do. I no longer have the dream/visions......there are no longer any "sightings" or words or movies or ads or songs or "jingles" that reach out to me and pull at me....there are no more "visits" from the "kissing" spirit......everything gradually dissipated.

    Oh, yeahhhh....occasionally I have flashbacks to the "hungry" mode.....where I struggle with a strong desire to "imbibe" of the "strong drink" from the scriptures.....and I sometimes "regurgitate" a scriptural thought or two....like a "burp" or exhalation from something grown stale within me.....and occasionally I will think I hear faint murmurings of that old "siren song".....like "little Egypt," doin? her dance, swayin?, singin? "hey-hey-hey-HEY!..kitchee-kitchee-kitchee"and crookin? her finger, beckoning each passerby......but like an alcoholic, I realize that the "sparkling wine-like" scriptures can make me drunk with power....can "pump up" my ego, can make me feel like I?m more than I am....even better than others.....and sometimes can give me illusions that seem to support what I?m being misled to believe....they can also destroy my life, my family, my health (both mental and physical), my credibility, friendships and my self-esteem. I was a "hard case"......and it took a long time and a lot of effort.....but I am strong. To give yall an example.....

    In the mid-70's, I was working in Houston, as a "hostess" in a strip club....conning the customers into buying me fake champagne for the commission I recv?d off the sales.....and I began drinking.....to help me calm down and overcome my distaste for what I was doing so I could provide adequately for my children?s needs.....It began with a half-pint a night.....and over a period of time, my drinking escalated to a whole quart of rum each night....straight up.....and then the evening came when I was getting dressed for work and I began to apply my makeup, but my hands were shaking so badly that I couldn?t do it.....so I poured myself a whole glass of rum and downed it to steady my hands.....at the same time I realized that this was bad.....because instead of me using the alcohol for my own purposes......I had begun to NEED the alcohol.....and instead of ME controlling my usage, the alcohol had begun to control my NEED for it......I decided I didn?t need or want anything controlling me......that I could control myself.....but to stop what had turned into an addiction, I would need to get rid of the reason for the addiction......I quit work in the clubs the next day, ridding myself of the reason for the addiction or of what had caused me to begin the actions which led to my addiction. It took several more years and a few more bad experiences with alcohol before I pretty much gave it up with the exception of a rare glass of wine or two on special occasions. I didn?t need AA.....I did it by myself. I suppose yall could call me a self-control-freak, eh? ;)....and after writing this paragraph, I can see how this experience seems to foreshadow the ones I?ve recently finished undergoing.

    I realize there are two possible points of view regarding my experiences and how I coped with them and how they affected me. One way is from a scriptural viewpoint....but even that can be divided in its synopsis....one bad, that the experiences were demonic in origin....and one good, that I was receiving "fizzy-call" therapy, "Can two walk together unless they have met by appointment?" The second way of looking at them is from a psychological viewpoint.....that this was a period of mental upheaval and I was having an identity crisis and manifesting symptoms of bipolar disorder, etc.

    Yall?s individual points of view are yall?s to chose. As for me.....I have peace of mind now.....and I know that I would NOT have been able to overcome both my need for "Steppfordville" and my addiction to the scriptures.....without the series of events and occurrences I?ve described here for yall....nor could I have accomplished it.......alone.

    Frannie B

  • gypsywildone
    gypsywildone

    I don't know, seems to me either explaination is too simplisitc. while these things were happening to you, did you realize on some level that they might not be real, or that other people might not be able to see them?

  • Frannie Banannie
    Frannie Banannie
    I don't know, seems to me either explaination is too simplisitc. while these things were happening to you, did you realize on some level that they might not be real, or that other people might not be able to see them?

    Too simplistic for ya, Gyps? What other explanation do you think might qualify?

    Yes....but there were the times that others saw the same things I saw, and even what I couldn't see for myself....

    Frannie B

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    Well, Frannie, who can say. I've worked my way through all twelve chapters (significant number?) and am at a loss. Having had my own spiritual events myself - I have no room to critique yours as being invalid or the result of mental illness.

    The only way a person can correlate an experience with the divine is to try to provide human analogies, and they just don't fit or make any sense to another person. It's like trying to explain the color blue to a blind man (born so), or describe the smell of your home to someone that's never been there. What "blue" means to me would probably mean little or nothing to you, or might even mean "green" or "red".

    So, if I had experienced what YOU have experienced, I would see your "blue" of the Divine as being the "red" of my own bipolar disorder acting up. But that's okay. Those experiences were not meant for me. They were meant for you.

    In my experience, like Gamaliel, if something that we don't understand is from God then there is no point fighting it. If it is not from God then it will self-destruct. Time will tell, Frannie, if you are truly the bride of Christ or just feeling a little "red"... (not "blue" ha ha!) If you ARE her, then no doubt we will all rejoice when you take your place. If you are NOT her, then I'm sure God and Christ will help you... So in essence, although you asked for my judgement on the matter, I can't issue one. I'm just a man, a ruinous man for wrecking work, (to indicate which scriptures I feel apply to me, ha ha, hence my reluctance to be critical) and the whole royalty thing is none of my business.

    BUT, are you going to start dating JCanon? *hee hee* Also, I have some ideas for the Millenium that maybe you could pitch to His Highness for me, starting with the Wet T-Shirt Jubilee... ha ha, just kidding, sweetie...

    Good luck and god bless, frannie. You may or may not be the Bride of Christ, but you are a sweet and kind poster who is greatly valued on this forum.

    Love,

    CZAR

  • wednesday
    wednesday

    My thinking is, are u better or worse off without the intrusive visions etc? Seems it was in part responsible for a lot of chaos in your life.

  • gypsywildone
    gypsywildone

    Well Frannie, I do remember your children saw some of this stuff, or the results of it. what do I mean the explainations are too simplistic? I mean putting things in an either or box is usually too simplistic. Do you have a conclusion, or is your personal opinion private?

  • Frannie Banannie
    Frannie Banannie
    Good luck and god bless, frannie. You may or may not be the Bride of Christ, but you are a sweet and kind poster who is greatly valued on this forum.

    Czar, I appreciate your sentiments and your willingness to live and let live as far as beliefs go....I understand that way of thinking, because I'm willing to allow others to believe as they wish....but I'm puzzled and disappointed that my writing ability did not make clear that being the Bride of Christ is not even viable and not the lesson learned from these experiences and that I was unable to convey what is truly valuable out of all these things.

    My thinking is, are u better or worse off without the intrusive visions etc? Seems it was in part responsible for a lot of chaos in your life.

    Wednesday, of course, I'm much better off without the visions, etc., which were part of the chaos in my life during that time, but the point of the whole endeavor was to show how easily we humans are fooled into believing in something we've been told by someone else is valuable and life-altering....and I'm sad that I wasn't able to convey that message.

    Well Frannie, I do remember your children saw some of this stuff, or the results of it. what do I mean the explainations are too simplistic? I mean putting things in an either or box is usually too simplistic. Do you have a conclusion, or is your personal opinion private?

    Gyps, I'm sorry....I guess I "missed the boat" by being too subtle in the point I was attempting to make by revealing these experiences which all did occur....it's that humans are so easily misled to believe that the very quality or existence of their lives is dependent on or can be altered by words in a book (or tree), when our lives here on earth, in reality....are for our own pleasure and enjoyment, to do with as we will (or won't), but not for slaving away or slobbering over words in a book that other people wrote a long time ago.....and allowing the words to consume our lives....and to reveal what the bible really is, how it enticingly draws people in, the sucks the life out of 'em and can chew 'em up and spit 'em out, too....sorta like the plant in "Little Shop of Horrors", eh?....but as I said....what anyone chooses to believe about it is their choice, after all.

    Frannie B

    to show by what we are fooled.".....

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge

    Thanks Frannie. I read all twelve installments.....no one can say your life hasn't been extraordinary. What has been, if any, the impact this board has had on your life?

    again, thanks.... I'm glad your got through those intense valleys of life.

  • Frannie Banannie
    Frannie Banannie
    Thanks Frannie. I read all twelve installments.....no one can say your life hasn't been extraordinary. What has been, if any, the impact this board has had on your life? again, thanks.... I'm glad your got through those intense valleys of life.

    Thank YOU, DoubleEdge....for your kind support and encouragement through this effort on my part....perhaps you missed what I wrote about this board and its posters in my 11th Installment? (C&P'd below)

    Back in 1999, I had at last been able to access a computer for the first time in my life and immediately began looking for xdubs.......I found exdub chat rooms, groups and forums like H2O and eventually my hostilities against the WTS GB wore off.....I was beginning to heal within.....and I found JWD....my online "home" when I?m not working or sleeping.
    I want to let yall know here that I truly and most sincerely appreciate all the info available here and on other exdub websites like Randy?s Freeminds.org..........because my eyes have also been opened to the reality of the WTS being a cult and its devastating effects on its members and their families, whether in or out of the WTS.....and I?ve learned of its deceptions....the UN debacle, along with all the various scriptural discrepancies where their doctrines are concerned....and their hypocrisies of which I was already aware...have been confirmed to me through these websites, as well as the unflagging efforts on the part of posters such as yourselves......to expose the WTS heirarchy and its transgressions. And I?m constantly amazed at the strength of character, the caring, loving, non-judmental attitudes and the many talents the posters on these websites, including JWD (well...especially JWD cause there?s so MANY of yall) continue to manifest towards myself and others like me...and toward all the newbies coming out of the WTS....You should know that you are all loved and appreciated very much.....and not just by myself.

    Frannie B

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Dear Frannie,

    I didn't comment on your previous installments because I was eagerly waiting for the last one -- which was, believe it or not, exactly what I hoped and expected.

    Over 10 years ago I met with an xJW lady who attended a conference I made near Paris about JWs (I was frequently asked for this kind of talk back then, i.e. a few years after I was df'd). She was in and out of a psychiatric hospital. Her talk was a fantastic patchwork of the NWT (only I could notice that). It implied visions and dreams, including revelations that she was Jehovah's Wife, with a notable experience featuring a tree and an obvious phallic symbol. What could be termed in an "objective" clinical way a mystical and sexual delirium.

    I remember wondering, while listening to her, why my own "mystical" experience which led me out of the WT didn't lead me to a psychic condition like hers. I had no answer, and still haven't.

    Those who never were attracted to a similar "mystical" experience or shyed away from it cannot understand. Neither can those who get stuck in such an experience. You made your way through and out of it. You are a great lady indeed.

    Take care and enjoy your fully human freedom,

    Narkissos

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