My experience with a group like the JWs

by JBB 24 Replies latest jw friends

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  JBB

  okay, i found this:
  
  http://www.delsol.net/~refocus/history.html
  
  and from this whole account, since the members of FOCUS seem to be all former members of CAN, and the members of ReFOCUS were all members of FOCUS, and Mr. Shiel left his position in 1995, that could reasonably be ASSUMED that he was with CAN originally and all the way up to the beginning of ReFOCUS, but it doesn't actually SAY that, you would have to extrapolate it.
  
  I wonder though:
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  When FOCUS or whatever it was went under and was bought out, if that document fell into the hands of the new owners.
  
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  It's interesting for me that Steven Hassan was said to be involved with CAN and FOCUS and according to this document even noted them in his book. (1985) However, teh wording is "asked" however, did Steven ACTUALLY accept and administrate the position? That all being the case, is there something negative to be gleaned from this equally in Mr. hassan and Mr. Shiel both equally?
  
  3) Mr. Hassan appears to have left in 1988, Mr. Shiel in 1995 (if this document is correct and those are reasonable interpretations, and they ARE just interpretations). The whole Jason Scott affair seems to be in the mid 1990's, right around the time Mr. Shiel departed. So who was present, and responsible for what?
  
  http://www.cesnur.org/2001/CAN.htm
  
  Edited to add:
  I found this, which gives the date of Jason Scott's abduction as 1990. the lawsuit was filed I think in 1994. verdict 1995. Still looking.
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  JBB

  I just found my intial email complaint to Wally about this issue. Some in the Christian community might be upset at some of the things I experimented with or studied at one time but that's not thier concern. The email will be posted in a second post
  
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  JBB
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  JBB

  About the notices I have been sending out to you and the other 8 people that volunteer with ATE, I really don't want you to show up at the meeting. Your services are no longer needed. I have heard story after story of elders and judicial committee that have behaved like you did that day at the Village Inn. In a nutshell you really fucked up. Here is how you fucked up.

  Instead of researching into something I was doing on the internet, you should have asked me directly about it. Depending on how you asked me, I might have told you. Asking me, "what are you doing with those," and "do you really need to have those things in order to research them" are not appropriate questions to ask. It's none of your damn business.

  Also grilling me with the questions "Do you have a spell book...Do you have a spell book?? was inappropriate. The Log book which had the sample spells recorded in it was picked up by Kindra while she was house-sitting for us. It was not in plain site. That was what Kindra said. Did you know that?

  You made the Triggers and phobias ailment a moral issue with your "What were you thinking?" comment, as if it was policy. It was not during a support group when these things happened.

  Kindra was already asking me questions about Wicca and related subjects when I brought the tarot card to a meet up. That's what happens when a third party gets involved in a matter he or she really knows nothing about. I am not a Wiccan or a witch; I am studying it. Also to think only in negative terms like being afraid I am going to cast a spell on you is simply ignorant and barbaric. That would be called black magic. Did you know there are also white magic, red magic (passion, love), green magic (prosperity), as well as several types of magic signified by a color? According to Christian bigotry, there is only one type of magic: black magic

  Kristin and I are in agreement as to our feelings about this matter, but she does not agree with my decision. There is a non-discrimination clause in the corporate articles and bylaws, and that's why you are being terminated.
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  JBB

  I just read a link I was provided about CAN and deprogramming. I am appalled at the intent to violate the civil rights of people that were in group that were labeled at cults