Atheists at it again

by Rex B13 42 Replies latest jw friends

Sunchild

They ignore the stunning events of changed lives that follows a true conversion to Christianity.

My mother found "real Christianity" about six months or so before I left the Borg. Before that unfortunate event, I felt safe discussing anything with her since I knew that she would always love and accept me for what I was as long as I didn't hurt anyone.
Since her finding "real Christianity," though, Mom and I aren't quite as close as we used to be. You should have seen the look of sheer horror on her face when I so much as hinted at my having non-Christian beliefs. She even went so far as to tell me that she hoped I would "do the right thing before it was too late." The "right thing" being, of course, abandoning the path that feels most fulfilling and natural to me in favor of the idea that some boogeyman underground is out to get me, and that some boogeyman in the sky is going to send me to Hell if I don't constantly grovel before him and apologize for being born.
Needless to say, I haven't quite worked up the guts to tell Mom that I practice Wicca. Goddess help me when I tell her that I prefer women. But before Mom found "real Christianity," both of these things would have been non-issues. I wish I had my mother back.
They ignore the mountainous evidence of the resurrection as a fact provable in a court of law.

As others here have asked, where is it? Show me the proof.
Now, backtracking a bit....
...and those who do not want to face the fact that a life without eternity in mind is a wasted life.

*scratches her head* Why? If this is all I get, this is all I get, so I might as well make the best of it. To me, a "wasted life" is a life that's spent in fear.
*Rochelle.
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"Most men complacently accept 'knowledge' as 'truth'. They are sheep, ruled by fear."
-- Sydney Losstarot, "Vagrant Story."
JAVA

Rex,
They (Athesists) ignore the mountainous evidence of the resurrection as a fact provable in a court of law
I can see why you haven't answered anyone since posting the above to the group. However, I need to be saved and want to see the "mountainous evidence of the resurrection" so I can become a believer. If you just tell me the court case number where the evidence is found, I'll be happy to look it up so I can be saved, too. Please hurry before "The End" comes, and God murders folks who don't believe like you. Looking forward to your reply, but please hurry before it's too late.
--JAVA
...counting time at the Coffee Shop
Rex B13

Well Java,
Unlike some here, I have a life and it doesn't revolve around posting to this Atheists Online Usedtobe J'Dubs forum (tm). Why there is more evidence for the life, times and history of Jesus Christ than any other figure EVER known. Yep, a little semitic state on the fringes of the Roman Empire was the land where a man who directly affected only a few hundred people was crucified, buried in a tomb and rose again! Try out J. McDowall's "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" (1 & 2), then maybe 'Mere Christianity', ah, wait a minute, try these out:
Christianity: a Witness of History......J.N. Anderson
the New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable?......F.F. Bruce
Evidence That Demands a Verdict........Josh McDowell
History and Christianity........John Montgomery
Basic Christianity..........John Stott
Bible Explorer's Guide......John Phillips
Mere Christianity.........C.S. Lewis
Read these and you will see that most atheist assertions are actually propaganda just like you got from the Watchtower.
Now, to help you get beyond the various heresies you learned as a JW, check these sites out:
http://www.watchman.org/jw/answers.htm Answering Watchtower Objections
http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/t03.html The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of the Trinity by Robert Bowman
http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/t10.html The Doctrine of the Trinity
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Trinity/beckwith.html The Trinity by Francis J Beckwith
http://www.probe.org/docs/bel-trin.html Why We Should Believe in the Trinity Pat Zuckeran
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/9t8/9t8072.html Writing the Trinity Philip Yancey
http://www.atlantaapologist.org/Sharp.html A Bicentennial Defense of Granville Sharp's Argument for the Deity of Christ.
You know what, there is one phrase that I like from our Atheists Online, from perhaps the most ignorant Norwig of all, Kent Steinhogggg:
Yakki Da!
Rex
Rex B13

Hi Old Friend,
You are much loved.
You are so close to the very place that God may call you to. I am sad that you do not follow your Mom's lead and find Christ for yourself. I'll pray that you find Him, COMF.
This place and those in it are not worth losing your chance to embrace Christ. In fact, were you to gain knowledge of Him you would certainly cause some here to re-think their own life's course.
In Jesus Name,
Rex
Seeker

Why there is more evidence for the life, times and history of Jesus Christ than any other figure EVER known.

ROFL! And you said that with a straight face? And now you want us to take what you said seriously? LOL...
Oh, wait a minute, I get it. You think anything written about Jesus = evidence, and because there are so many Christians who love to write about Jesus that must mean lots of evidence, huh?
ROFL!
Quester

Sunchild,
Not all of Christianity is the same.
There are Christian gay people and Christian
religions that accept them.
I don't know that much about Wicca.
But I think a person should be who they are.
I am sorry that you feel unaccepted by your mom.
That must hurt. But people do change over time,
so she might come around.
I am still a Christian, but nondoctrinal, pluralistic,
and I think the Bible is mostly nonliteral and very
misunderstood. I'm leaning toward panentheism instead
of supernatural theism.
Pretty much an oddball, huh.
Spong calls us "believers in exile",
cuz we don't fit in with mainstream Christianity.
But I think things are changing.
Quester
larc

Rex,
There is something I never understood about people like you. Why are you so mad all the time? You know what people believe by what we write. Why are you even here in the first place? Don't you have better things to do with your time than castigate us? What purpose does it serve? You are not going to change us and we are not going to change you. Why don't you preach to a different congregation, or, perhaps plants some flowers in your yard, in other words - do something constructive.
Big Jim

Maybe This Will Help !!!
Quotes From Famous Infidels (thoughts to ponder) Jun 26, 2001 8:16:13 PM
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Quotes From Famous Infidels
Many of the greatest thinkers were atheists, agnostics or deists with no respect for any church
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Thomas Jefferson (Deist)
"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. " -- Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear." --Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
"The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites." -- Thomas Jefferson
"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity." --Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.
"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors." --Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
Napoleon Bonaparte
I have no clue as to Napoleon's Religious ideals so e-mail me if you have that information. Here are his quotes:
"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." --Napoleon
"All religions have been made by men." --Napoleon
Thomas Paine (Deist?)
"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon than the word of God. It . . . has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind." --Thomas Paine The Age of Reason
"The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason. I have never used any other, and I trust I never shall."
--Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
"Revelation is a communication of something which the person to whom the thing id revealed did not know before. For if I have done, a thing, or seen it done, it needs no Revelation to tell me, I have done or seen it done nor enable me to tell it or write it. Revelation therefore cannot be applied to anything done upon earth, of which man is himself actor or witness and
consequently all the historical part of the Bible which is almost the whole of it, is not within the meaning and compass of the word Revelation and therefore is not the Word of God."-- Thomas Paine The Age of Reason
John Adams
"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"
"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity"
James Madison
""What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy."
Jonathan Swift
"We have just enough religion to make us hate but not enough religion to make us love one another"
Miscellaneous
"Immorality: The morality of those who are having a better time." [H.L. Mencken]
"No kingdom has shed more blood than the kingdom of Christ." [Montiesque]
"Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night." [Isaac Asimov]
"When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it." [Oscar Wilde]
"[Fundamentalists] never wonder why, if herpes is sent by 'god' to scourge "adulterers," whooping cough and measles weren't purposely created to lambaste children." [Fred Woodworth]
"I was born a heretic. I always distrust people who know so much about what God wants them to do to their fellows. [Susan B. Anthony]
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." [Stephen Roberts]
Sunchild

Quester,
Sunchild,
Not all of Christianity is the same.
There are Christian gay people and Christian
religions that accept them.

I know. I was using the term "real Christian" in the context which our not-so-new friend here meant it. You know, the Bible-believin', Jesus-is-my-savior, everyone's-goin'-to-Hell-but-us types. Mom even told me once (while I was trying to test the waters) that she believes gay people are born that way, but that they should never act on their feelings because it's a terrible sin. If that doesn't give you some idea of how deep in the Fundy cesspool she is.... And I worry that it'll get worse, not better. But then again, I got out of the JWs, so hopefully, Mom will come around, too.
Spong calls us "believers in exile",
cuz we don't fit in with mainstream Christianity.
But I think things are changing.

I hope they are, but my optimism tends to wax and wane.
Anyway, thanks for the post and your support.
*Rochelle.
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"Most men complacently accept 'knowledge' as 'truth'. They are sheep, ruled by fear."
-- Sydney Losstarot, "Vagrant Story."
Francois

SunChild Baby!!!
You're Wiccan! GOOD WORK! That is a beautiful philosophy. It's too bad that after the Catholic Church got done with Wicca there were none left to write the histories of the mass slaughters of those innocent, beautiful people; so the Papists wrote it themselves. And of course, they made Wiccans out to be monsters - unlike their own murdering selves.
Don't let anyone know. Those crazy bastards are out to get ya! Especially the Southern Baptists. They find out you're Wiccan and they'll blow up your shit for you.
Give my regards to The All.
Franc
Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.

Atheists at it again

--JAVA

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