Can they be excused, in all honesty????

by BLISSISIGNORANCE 16 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • BLISSISIGNORANCE
    BLISSISIGNORANCE

    Over the period of time I have been posting on this forum I have noticed how differently we feel about the borg and dubs. I guess our point of view is based on our own particular situation and experiences, our upbringing, our culture, our gender, our relationships etc. But I think I can safely say that we all agree on one point, that the borg is a corrupt, greedy, hypocritical, dishonest, controlling, unloving, brain-washing cult! Right?

    I have read some posts suggesting that it's the leaders, the GB, the elders, the ignorance, the brain-washing etc, that is to blame for the bad stuff, the hurt, the abuse in the WTS. That most dubs individually are nice, caring, gentle, trusting, misdirected souls.

    Well, I beg to differ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I wasn't raised a dub so I don't have the strong emotional attatchment to family, friends and memories. I came in as a 30 yo single mother with 3 little kids. I believed the paradise earth teaching, the global family, the resurrection of the dead, the brotherly love, family unity, doing good, etc. While I believed that, I was zealous in the faith. But many things became apparent to me as soon as I got baptised, too many to mention but for eg.........the lack of sincere love except when the CO visited, after the initial love bombing before baptism!!!!! the bitching and gossiping, the sexist and racist attitudes blah, blah, blah.

    But something awful happened and the truth about the WTS and dubs became clear. You all know about my child being sexually abused by a dub, the perp being protected, other kids at risk, I warn mothers and then get df'ed to keep my mouth shut. So that experience showed me how the BORG (the ones taking the lead and directing the organization) is corrupt, unloving and deceiptful......more concerned about it's public image and reputation rather than the protection of innocent children and justice being meeted out to those who hurt them. OK, that's how I see the borg.

    The whole sexual abuse experience also gave me the opportunity to see what kind of people INDIVIDUAL dubs are. My 'friends'?, who spent endless hours with me and my children, who saw my pain and sadness, who saw my child forced to tolerate the abuser at meetings, who saw how unjust and unloving the elders were, who agreed that things were done wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!! 'Friends'?????? No, couldn't be. What friends tell you that they must stop associating with you because you make them think and question their faith which is already shakey? What friends abandon you just because you cannot preach something that you now know not to be true???? What nice, caring, gentle, trusting people expect you to tolerate something wrong just because it happened in the borg, YET preach to others at the door to leave their faith for the very same thing?

    I truely believe that the BORG can only succeed because they have the support of the INDIVIDUALS. How can nice, caring, gentle, trusting INDIVIDUALS shun a 'sister' who has not been df'ed or da'ed just because her child was abused and the right thing was NOT done by their leaders? How can nice, caring, gentle, trusting INDIVIDUALS see news reports and documentaries with young brothers and sisters crying and suffering as they tell of their nightmares at the hands of a dub abuser???? How can nice, caring, gentle, trusting INDIVIDUALS put an organization before the life of a loved one???? How can nice, caring, gentle, trusting INDIVIDUALS hide behind an organization when they choose to be judgemental and self-righteouss????

    We have all suffered in some way when we left the borg. We made a decision for whatever reason. We decided that no matter what, we couldn't live the lie anymore. Yet there are many who, even after seeing the facts, will stick with the WTS. I believe it's for selfish reasons, for their own security and future investment, no matter at what expense.

    I really cannot say there is 1 dub I know of that would be INDIVIDUAL enough to stand up for ANY truth that conflicts with the WTS's truth!!!!!!!! I cannot excuse them for choosing to stick with the borg, I cannot excuse their conduct by saying they are poor, naive, gullible, uneducated, humble people. I just can't!

    Well, that's my opinion and I hope I haven't offended anyone in writing this.

    Cheers, Bliss

  • avengers
    avengers
    How can nice, caring, gentle, trusting INDIVIDUALS put an organization before the life of a loved one???? How can nice, caring, gentle, trusting INDIVIDUALS hide behind an organization when they choose to be judgemental and self-righteouss????

    Indoctrination.

    It can turn perfectly good people into monsters.

    You didn't offend me and I can understand perfectly where you're coming from.
    I have also lost all my "friends" when I left, like many here and sometimes think exactly like you stated.
    But I have three daughters who treat me good and in time are not shunning me anymore.
    They shunned me at first, but in time less and less. I cannot talk about any issues though, but maybe in time?
    I still believe they are good kids blinded by this godforsaken cult.
    And I think there are more in the Borg like them.
    I've given up hope on my "old friends.

    Keep your head up. I've been reading your posts and think you're doing a great job, so keep it up.

    Hugs......................Andy.

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    I agree! The Watch Tower Publishing and Real Estate Development Corporation has not hurt me. I have never personally met one of the (former) corporation directors known as governing body. It was the Witness people I know that intentionally hurt me and my family.

    These are bad people that are really only united by the roof over their heads 5 times a week.

    Their own shunning of me and my family was their late gift to me that really relieved me of any warm feelings I mistakenly had for any of them. Mean, evil people who delight in the delusion that they have the power to cause pain to others by shunning and snubbing. What a laugh!



  • Bubbamar
    Bubbamar

    Hi Bliss

    I have wondered the same thing. Do Jesus' words apply to them..."forgive them Father they know not what they do." Does their belief that what they do - they do for God excuse them?

    They could find out the truth if they wanted to - just as we all have. But they don't look because they are told not to look. Will it really fly- when they face the Maker- to say "but the Watchtowers says...."

    I am sorry for what happened to you. I really don't know how anyone could justify that as okay or Christlike. At least when I was DF'ed it was for actual wrong things that I did. Not for protecting children. It is truly amazing that your congregation was not totally appalled. I for one can not excuse them. Hopefully for them, their God is bigger than me!

  • Robdar
    Robdar
    I really cannot say there is 1 dub I know of that would be INDIVIDUAL enough to stand up for ANY truth that conflicts with the WTS's truth!!!!!!!! I cannot excuse them for choosing to stick with the borg, I cannot excuse their conduct by saying they are poor, naive, gullible, uneducated, humble people. I just can't!

    (((((Bliss)))))

    I want to encourage you to remember that everyday JWs are leaving the org--many for the reasons you listed in your post. They are beginning to see the truth about the truth and they are leaving quiety never to return. Some of these people have been in the org for 40 plus years. People like you and others on this forum are helping them see what is really going on with the WTS. Thank you for posting your story so that others may know.

    I will always be grateful to Simon and this forum for helping me and my family break free.

    Love,

    Robyn

  • bem
    bem

    " I think I can safely say that we all agree on one point, that the borg is a corrupt, greedy, hypocritical, dishonest, controlling, unloving, brain-washing cult"! Right?

    RIGHT...When I first started reading here and then posting....I still thought I was doing something wrong and sinful!!!!...Well I'm glad I stayed... I have learned a lot...specially how corrupt,the jw religion is. I'm sure I have only just begun to learn....

    ((((((( BLISS...)))))) Hello dear.

    Dorothy.

  • blondie
    blondie
    I really cannot say there is 1 dub I know of that would be INDIVIDUAL enough to stand up for ANY truth that conflicts with the WTS's truth!!!!!!!! I cannot excuse them for choosing to stick with the borg, I cannot excuse their conduct by saying they are poor, naive, gullible, uneducated, humble people. I just can't!

    Well, I can, because until 4 years ago, I was a JW that was convinced I could change things or at least not be contaminated by it. I think all of us here fnally reached the point where we could not pretend any longer. Some can leave, some have to wait till they do the least damage to themselves and their families. The child abuse issue finally made me see the need to leave. Seeing that 30 years had not changed how the WTS handled these cases, made me realize that I could not longer be part of it. Now I do what I can through SNAP and LINKUP and Silentlambs.

    But I do know there are many ignorant and fooled JWs that will eventually wake up and leave. So I don't condemn the group in general. I do condemn those in authority because I know they aren't ignorant but active players in the lies that are told to the rank and file.

    I just remember what I have learned through AA and Al-Anon.

    Blondie

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas

    Dear (((Bliss))),

    A Witness is held within the grasp of intense fear of a "heavenly Father" who will certainly kill them and their young children if they support or side with people or situations that cast a bad light on "Jehovah's Organization"; no matter the validity. Their entire life and identity is based on a heart-numbing fear, plus a materialistic greed for everlasting life in "paradise". Fear and greed will hide true love, compassion and understanding, faster and more effectively than anything.

    Knowing this and really seeing how other people are blindly imprisoned, can give way to a natural flow of compassion and understanding which is magnified by how badly we may have been hurt in the past.

    Unblocking the light of our natural compassion gives us the freedom from the heavy burden of bitterness and anger, which frees energy and attention that life may be more joy-full. It is a gift to ourselves that we can choose to open to and accept, or not.


    j

  • Country Girl
    Country Girl

    If once the facts are exposed to them, and they ignore it, they are guilty of the same crimes as their religion.

    CG

  • avengers
    avengers
    If once the facts are exposed to them, and they ignore it, they are guilty of the same crimes as their religion.

    CG

    The point is you can't get close enough to explain. This is what the "Leaders" do to keep their position of power
    over the heads of our kids.!!! Andy.

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