LIGHTNING BOLT from Gawd! Paul's turnaround?

by Terry 27 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Terry
    Terry

    Last night in bed listening to the terrible electric storm that raged outside I was thinking of a local football player who had been struck by lightning while jogging on the school track. I then had what they call an EPIPHANY.

    It became clear to me that, perhaps, PAUL had been struck by lightning on the road to Damascus and partially blinded and perhaps sustained a permanent infirmity.

    Further, being struck by lightning would be taken as a SIGN FROM GOD that he needed to reassess his course in life. He was a thug doing enforcement for the High Priest against the upstart Christian sect. A turnaround would mean a flip-flop.

    This is idle speculation but it puts a realistic bit of plausibility in his claims. I've never wanted to take Paul as merely a self-serving liar. And a complete reversal of one's life is never merely an act of whim.

    Any views on my idle speculations?

  • Odrade
    Odrade

    I've kind of thought the same thing. Maybe he got hit by lightning, maybe he had a TIA or a stroke. Hallucination of some sort. Perhaps it was some sort of "spiritual experience" although, if it were that, why didn't the spirit tell him to be a little less of a woman hater?

    I don't really know what to do with the blindness thing. Maybe he had some slight hemorrage that cleared up and semi restored his vision--that's why I'm inclined to believe stroke. But the lightning thing--interesting to ponder sometimes.

    Paul was an interesting figure in the Bible. Shaped Christianity really. It should be called Paulianity. (ooh, that sounds like something Mormon...)

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Being struck by lightning has actually been proposed by some scholars. But a more likely possibility is that Paul had a grand mal seizure and was afflicted with epilepsy:

    In old Ireland, epilepsy was known as 'Saint Paul's disease'. The name points to the centuries-old assumption that the apostle suffered from epilepsy. To support this view, people usually point to Saint Paul's experience on the road to Damascus, reported in the Acts of the Apostles in the New Testament (Acts 9:3-9), in which Paul, or Saul as he was known before his conversion to Christianity, is reported to have a fit similar to an epileptic seizure: '...suddenly a light from the sky flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him: ''Saul, Saul! Why do you persecute me?''...Saul got up from the ground and opened his eyes, but he could not see a thing... For three days he was not able to see, and during that time he did not eat or drink anything.' Saul's sudden fall, the fact that he first lay motionless on the ground but was then able to get up unaided, led people very early on to suspect that this dramatic incident might have been caused by a grand mal seizure. In more recent times, this opinion has found support from the fact that sight impediment-including temporary blindness lasting from several hours to several days-has been observed as being a symptom or result of an epileptic seizure and has been mentioned in many case reports. In his letters St Paul occasionally gives discreet hints about his 'physical ailment', by which he perhaps means a chronic illness. In the second letter to the Corinthians, for instance, he states: 'But to keep me from being puffed up with pride... I was given a painful physical ailment, which acts as Satan's messenger to beat me and keep me from being proud.' (2 Corinthians, 12:7). In his letter to the Galatians, Paul again describes his physical weakness: 'You remember why I preached the gospel to you the first time; it was because I was ill. But even though my physical condition was a great trial to you, you did not despise or reject me.' (Galatians 4:13-14) In ancient times people used to spit at 'epileptics', either out of disgust or in order to ward off what they thought to be the 'contagious matter' (epilepsy as 'morbus insputatus': the illness at which one spits).

    http://www.epilepsiemuseum.de/alt/paulusen.html

    Temporal lobe epilepsy also can result in visions which Paul claimed to have (cf. 2 Corinthians 12:1-4) and which were part of the "Road to Damascus" incident. Interestingly, Paul mentioned his "thorn in the flesh" while describing one of his visions. It is possible that many of the "resurrection appearances" of the raised Jesus (such as that described by Stephen in Acts, or to the Apostle Peter) were visions of a similar type....that is, they are real experiences but deriving from a physical or psychosomatic condition.

  • Odrade
    Odrade

    Very interesting. Hadn't heard that theory before, but it seems so logical...

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    ~shakes head~

    Thousands of Christians have had epiphanies, and their lives have turned around on the spot.
    Some claim seeing bright lights, meeting "angels", some have no "wild experience" at all.
    They are neither "self-serving liars" nor "acting on a whim".
    Some become theologians, some missionaries, some this, some that...

    That's just the Christians...

    All this speculation over a guy who's been dead for nearly two millenia

  • Odrade
    Odrade

    Yes, but a guy who essentially shaped Christianity as most people know it today. His writings (and Peter's) are responsible for the greater portion of rules, regulations and restrictions that mainstream Christians impose on themselves and others. The fact that he's been dead for 2000 years, doesn't lessen the relevance, IMHO.

    Maybe it was an epiphany, or a religious experience and not a physiological event. Maybe there was no medical condition. But in my observation, people who have a true spiritual experience become kinder, more enlightened and less tied to influence and organization, not more so. In my mind, I just can't link the conversion of Saul and his subsequent metamorphosis into Paul with the work that enlightened individuals do in our time (Ghandi, Mother Theresa, etc).

    For myself anyways, my curiousity about Paul, and what changed him is due to the fact that, though he changed religions, it doesn't seem that he really changed... he no longer physically presided over the killings of people who believed other than him, but he still believed Jesus would come and do it for him. He never really changed his attitude toward women from the way he was as a Pharisee in the Jewish tradition, in spite of the fact that he admonished Euodia and Syntyche to be friends, and he acknowledged other women. As to that point, some may argue that was all he could accomplish given the social climate. But Jesus didn't follow social climate, nor did he endeavor to keep women in place by teaching.

    If he really was enlightened by Christ, why does Paul's flavor of Christianity taste different from what Jesus offered? Still thinking physiological event in his case. Just because I am unconvinced of Paul's experience, doesn't mean I doubt that enlightenment happens at all...

    O

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    I agree with much of what you have to say, though I think the change of Paul was more radical than you give credance to.

    He changed from an intolerant Pharisee into someone who discouraged judgementalism. Do you see the growth of his spirituality, in his letters? The attitude expressed develops, matures and softens, IMHO.
    That is exactly the same kind of development I see occuring in Christians today, as an internal process.

    I do agree with what you said about the "taste" though. That was an excellent analogy.

  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    Damn. Do you mean to tell me I spent half my life, trying to live out the teachings some guy perceived

    during an epileptic siezure???

    No wonder my life was so screwed up.

    Oh well.

    Outoftheorg

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Fred Franz had a seizure?
    When did that happen?

    Btw, he's dead. too...

  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    LT. I think that Paul guy and Freddy were distant cousins. DNA inheritance explains the similarity of the two of them and the nonsensical life I led for half my life.

    It's all their fault, dontcha understand? I had nothing to do with it.

    Outoftheorg

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