Sci-Fi Fans Only: A.I.

by Maximus 42 Replies latest jw friends

  • teejay
    teejay

    DCs Ghost

    what i believe is the biggest let down of the movie is the choice of director, Spielberg is more about family entertainment ... he usually focuses on sci-fi/fantasy, blockbuster Hollywood ... i'm not knocking Speilberg cause i feel he is a talented and gifted director but his vision is different.

    I could not agree more. His technical skill and attention to detail that you mentioned are his strengths but his focus on the family/summer blockbuster genre is probably the main reason the Hollywood establishment has ignored him at Oscar time. Did you see Dark City? I thought it was an excellent example of futuristic sci-fi. Machines played a major role in that film, too, but from a very different perspective.

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    truman

    I felt that the movie was largely about the futility of the search for ultimate acceptance.

    Her failure to give him the love he wants, is not his lack, but her own selfish, or human motivations. It cannot be his lack, because he was functioning within his design parameters, but he perceives it as his own failing. If he was lacking, it was not his failure, but the failure of those who created and used him...

    What do you say about this:
    One reviewer that I read likened David to a VCR or a microwave oven that either no longer works or suits our purpose. I disagreed. I think the point of the movie is that David was more than a robot but more like a pet if not intrinsically more important. I think that is borne out in the mother's hesitancy to return him to the factory where he'd be destroyed (a preposterous idea, I thought... couldn't they just remove the imprinting chip and insert a fresh one?). By her actions she viewed him as a living, sentient being. And as it turned out, he was. Sorta.

    ...yet, he is a constructed machine, and is the love he gives or recieves anything more than an illusion.

    Ah! That is the question about love itself, the kind we feel and express. What IS love? The chemical reaction in the brain can be duplicated with the consumption of chocolate. And who is it that benefits, the one who loves or its recipient? These are the types of questions I thought the movie might explore.

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    joelbear

    I walked out of the movie saying, "Is artificial love the only love that will last?" I think one important point of the movie and maybe its most important point is that man's need to be able to manipulate everything, including creating manmade love, will be his downfall.

    A provocative question, in view of the negative aspects that come when love doesn't last. If people could avoid those (e.g. a broken heart when a lover moves on) why wouldn't they? The success of nearly every technological advance has demonstrated that if we can afford it we are all interested in rearranging our environment to suit our immediate needs, WHATEVER THEY ARE. Cars, air travel, air conditioning, electricity, pcs, medical care, prostitution, amusement parks, virtual reality... the list is endless. It is not a stretch to believe that if it were possible today, there would be a market for Davids. Till then, people have pets.

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    Seeker

    It makes an enourmous difference whether or not those are aliens at the end or mechas. With mechas, you have a unified whole to the picture. The story arc is complete. With aliens, you would have something out of left field thrown into the picture at the end, with no foreshadowing.

    Personally, I see no "arc" in the story... for me that was one of the problems. As I said, I see no difference with whether they are aliens or advanced mechas... if you wanna make 'em aliens, go for it.

    To me they are simply a vehicle to effect the fairy tale ending -- allowing David to reach his emotional destination. One thing that leads me to believe that they are aliens is that the earth has been under ice for two thousand years, and David himself had to be reawakened by something unaffected by all that ice. You think they are Fords, I think they are Chevy's. Whatever they are, they are peripheral to the point the movie is making if the point of the movie is something other than "the machines are going to rule the world when all the humans are gone." I hope the point of the movie is something other than that. If not, I wasted even more time than i thought.

    Kubrick's original script treatment included the 2,000-year-future scene ... So if you want to criticize the ending, it wasn't Spielberg's idea. In fact, one of the three original Brian Aldiss short stories on which this movie was based had a 2,000-year-future scene. It was always part of the story.

    I haven't read Aldiss' short stories. How close did Speilberg's treatment of the ending match those stories?

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    Maximus

    Now that you've seen it, Is the whole human race searching, crying, Mommy, Mommy, Mommy, Mommy, ...?

    In other words, what WAS that movie about? Your synopsis is one, but there are several others. That's the reason I was disappointed. I have a hard time saying WHAT the point of movie was. You could say that several themes were addressed but none were covered well.

    I'd love to hear other views on this from those who've seen the movie... If you had to sum up A. I. in five sentences or less, what would you say?

    A couple of tidbits about Kubrick's trademarks from http://us.imdb.com/Bio?Kubrick,+Stanley :

    Often features shots down the length of tall, parallel walls... All of Kubrick's films feature a scene that takes place in a bathroom... His films have a common theme of dehumanization.

    tj ~still scratchin' his head...

  • DCs Ghost
    DCs Ghost

    Afternoon Todd
    i did indeed see Dark City, I thoroughly enjoyed that film, highly visual, the photography, the story line, the fact that for the first ten minutes not a word was said yet the story was told, the aliens reminded me of Hellraiser (similar garb), it was dark and ironic, and a reality based on illusion, a definite one to own for any sci-fi addict. . .

    refresh my memory on the machines in that film, for some reason i am stuck on the telepathic and controling issues of how the aliens regulated society. . . .

    earlier you commented to Truman saying

    couldn't they just remove the imprinting chip and insert a fresh one?
    one would think with all the technology that was around that would have been a very simple option . . .
    here is the but,
    that would take away from the seriousness and commitment involved in an adoption of such and the reality of the relationship and bond created between the individual and the android

    think of it when someone tells you 'i love you' you can't take it back, though indeed you can stop loving, in time
    it creates a bond that cannot be cast aside so quickly or at least it creates a memory to the specific individual who threw that phrase your way

    i think that was the point with the list of words used to activate the love response in david, akin to the events that trigger love between 2 people, these words were random as love often tends to be. . .

    also reprogramming them would raise a handful of seperate issues if they were to be so easily replaced, almost as if to say that indeed love is so easily interchangeable

    GigJoe made a comment about how easily robots were indeed disposed of, tossed aside for whatever reason simple mistakes on the part of the droid or the mood of the owner much akin to romantic relationships between some people. . .

    David function was different than anything created prior, he was to mimick human emotion and for that reason i think that is why they couldn't just change his chip, i think that the idea was to get past the immediate gratification and make a commitment

    Take joe as an example again, he was programmed to satisfy and he knew that was his function,
    David knew his function but got lost in the emotion that he was programmed to mimic, again akin to falling in love for the first time, he gave love as his program required of him but in turn he realized that ihe wanted to feel it in return. . . .a fault of the programmers or the complexity of love???

    Joel Bear

    I walked out of the movie saying, "Is artificial love the only love that will last?"---jb

    that is an interesting observation because this leads me to think not about David but about the advanced meccha instead, who are caring for David in order to understand themselves better.
    so was their motive selfless or selfish??

    these beings indeed were highly in tune with the David's needs and they literally bent over backwards to satisfy his wish. . . were they programmed to seek out such answers or did their artificiality indeed evolve into something more human for lack of a better term. . . .comments please

    I felt that the movie was largely about the futility of the search for ultimate acceptance. . . . .If he was lacking, it was not his failure, but the failure of those who created and used him... ---truman

    i agree that acceptance was one of the themes underlying the film but not the core issue of the movie
    i also feel that you are on, about the lacking in his programming, he was simply a robot programmed to reciprocate one of the most complex emotions known to man

    Seeker
    the ending 2000 years later was indeed part of Stanley's vision i'll return with the link

    peace
    dc

  • DCs Ghost
    DCs Ghost

    Hey Maximus i didn't mean to skip your question

    i hadn't thought about it from that point of view the one where he was clinging on to orga. . .

    i don't think his harm to orga was intentional, remember when his brother asked him to cut his mom's hair and he said he couldn't, i am probably off but i don't think he realized the severity of his action in pulling his brother under water i think he wanted protection and fell in and it was more of an accident than anything else. . . what was your take on that???

    peace
    dc

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