Bush Announces "Peace and Security" (non-political thread only please)

Confucious

Ok, in Bush's speech last night, his theme was "Peace and Security" or "Peace and Saftey" which I believe was his actual words.

Well, we know the JW retoric about "Peace and Security."

Does anyone here have insite on what the the Bible is talking about with "...when they are announceing Peace and Security that sudden destruction will be instantly upon them..."

Biblical only please...

Thanks!!!

shamus

Biblical only please...

In your dreams...

heathen

That would be 1st thessalonians 5:3 .

City Fan

Confucious,

Sorry this isn't my own work but a 'cut and paste' from the following article: http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/peacesecurity.htm

What Did the Apostle Mean?

Did Paul really predict that the nations, immediately before the end of the age, would proclaim a world peace? Did he say that this would be the ?final signal? heralding that ?sudden destruction? is imminent? (The Watchtower, May 15, 1987, page 19) The context, and especially the broader context, shows this conclusion to be totally wrong.

Bible commentators often point out that the apostle Paul in 1 Thess. 5:1-11 simply gives a summary of Jesus? own words about his coming as recorded at Matt. 24:36-44, Luke 17:26-30 and 21:34-36. Jesus had said that he would come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night. It would be as in the days of Noah, before the Flood, and as in the days of Lot, before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. People back then were occupied with their daily activities and didn?t suspect anything; ?they were eating and drinking, men were selling, they were planning, they were building.? In the middle of all this the destruction suddenly came upon them. Paul briefly sums up Jesus? words:

?Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well (from Jesus? own words) that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, ?Peace and safety,? destruction will come on them suddenly.? 1 Thessalonians 5.1-3 New International Version

A thief does not announce in advance the ?times and dates? of his coming. He does not ?signal? his coming in any way. He comes unexpectedly, surprisingly, when people feel safe and secure. It was because of this absence of any ?signs? or ?signals? that Jesus urged his disciples to ?keep awake? and ?ready? and ?sober?. (Matt. 24:42, 44; Luke 21:34, 36) Paul repeated these exhortations. (1 Thess. 5:6-8) To ?keep awake? would not mean to keep looking for any ?final signal?, but to ?keep our senses and have on the breastplate of faith and love and as a helmet the hope of salvation?. (1 Thess. 5:8) The one clothed in that armor would not be taken by surprise by the ?Lord?s day?. He would be ready, whenever it came.

The Watch Tower Society has changed the sense of Paul?s words to mean exactly the reverse. They have made the predicted absence of ?signs? and ?signals?, which Paul expressed with the words ?Peace and safety? (NW: ?Peace and security?) to the ?final signal? that world destruction is imminent!

?Peace, Peace; When There Is No Peace?

The Greek word used by Paul of ?peace? is ?eirene?. This word is used in the New Testament as an equivalent of the Hebrew word ?schalom?, which often occurs in the Old Testament. Schalom did not merely refer to ?peace? in the political sense, but also, and primarily, to God?s good will toward men, ?God?s peace?. Paul?s use of the expression ?Peace (eirene) and safety? is commonly supposed to be an allusion to Jeremiah?s words about the Jews of his time at Jer. 5:14 and 8:11 (ASV):

?They have healed also the hurt of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.?

There was no political peace at that time The Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar was involved in a campaign of conquests aimed at subduing the whole Middle East, and Judah, too, was threatened. But the people felt safe, imagining that they had God?s protection, His ?peace?. They expected ?no evil? to ?come upon? them. (Jer. 23:17) The destruction of Jerusalem and its temple in 587 B.C., therefore came as a shocking surprise.

This too indicates that Paul?s words about ?Peace and Safety? should not be understood as a political proclamation of world peace, interpreted as the ?final signal? of ?world destruction?.

Golf

Peace & security for those who are the leaders of the New World Order. Global dictatorship by the International Bankers. Gradualism, it's been in the works many, many moons ago.

Guest 77

NeonMadman

Back in 1974, when Nixon resigned as President and Gerald Ford was sworn in to replace him, the New Your Daily News ran the headline, "President Ford Pledges: Truth, Peace and Security." That one got all the dubs into a frenzy, too, and that was 30 years ago. But Armageddon is still holding off, for some reason.

Confucious

Great Link City Fan

lurk

?Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well (from Jesus? own words) that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, ?Peace and safety,? destruction will come on them suddenly.? 1 Thessalonians 5.1-3 New International Version

id never thought of that before!!!
"about times and dates it says we do not need to write to you"
yet the WTs does just that all thr time .they are doing the opposite fo what the apostels
a bad sign of org.
i had considered that peace and safety might just be a simple reference to the situation when he ends arrived...people not in expectation of anything and feeling safe.

stillajwexelder

1986 was called The International Year of Peace by the UN - the WTBTS made a big deal out of that also - 1939 Neville Chamberlain - Peace in Our Time

I have heard it all before

heathen

I also think that the scripture has to do with when jerusalem was sacked by the romans in 70 ce much like it says in jeremiah when jerusalem was sacked by babylon . It does seem to me like there is some kind of stay of execution if this is going to make sense at all in todays world , the world has not been pardoned but has been granted the time that's needed in order for God to find anybody worth saving , I think we know the jdubs need eternity there .........

Bush Announces "Peace and Security" (non-political thread only please)

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