Peace & security for those who are the leaders of the New World Order. Global dictatorship by the International Bankers. Gradualism, it's been in the works many, many moons ago.
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Bush Announces "Peace and Security" (non-political thread only please)
by Confucious 25 Replies latest watchtower bible
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ColdRedRain
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czarofmischief
From my reading of that scripture, it seems that Paul was pointing out the futility of listening to the promises of men about peace and security. Just as soon as they say it, then boom, a war or something happens. Or a hurricane.
I get it was just a rather cynical appraisal of "peace" as a political effort...
CZAR
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Flash
Does anyone here have insite on what the the Bible is talking about with "...when they are announceing Peace and Security that sudden destruction will be instantly upon them..."
1 Thessalonians 5 : 3 says that, what said in verse 2 sets it up, " For you yourselves know quite well that Jehovah's day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3 Whenever it is that they are saying "Peace and security!" then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape." Verse 3 is definately an Armageddon scripture.
I don't think its about saying "peace and security" as much as it is about declaring it. When they declare it as having been accomplished that's when God steps in. I believe after Babylon / Religion is destroyed (War On Terror?) the world leaders will declare "Peace and Security!"
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logansrun
Vote for Kerry!
*doh!*
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belbab
Back several years ago, same year as 9/11 I believe, Ciro Aucilino gave a talk at an assembly and it is on Free Minds Web site. In his talk he talked about Peace and Security, and other subjects.
I refuted his arguments in an open letter, and I wrote him a study from the Bible about peace and security.
It is on this thread if you care to read it.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/23389/1.ashx
Belbab
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belbab
I forgot to mention that Ciro Aulicino was the one signing for the WT on document authorizing the WT to become an NGO/DPI member associating with the UN.
You can hear his talk at Randy's site at:
http://www.randytv.com/whatfutureholds.htm
belbab
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Annanias
The "peace and security" quote has always seemed a bit non-sequitor, but only because of the word "they". To quote The Wild Bunch, "Who the hell are 'they'?" If the general population is meant, okay that puts a certain slant on the sentence, if it's the religious leaders, another, political leaders, still another yet, and so on. I suppose you could insert "disgruntled postal workers" in there if you wanted. Sometimes I think writers should pay 50 cents for every pronoun they use (oops, what am I up to, 2 bucks?).
But situations seem to be lining up, somewhat. I mean, as long as we're guessing here. Since the "instant destruction" seems to indicate armegeddon, the "they" would have to be something dealing with the onset of armegeddon, not necessicarily the execution of it. What supposedly brings on armegeddon is the sudden destruction of religion by the political/military folks. Which would indicate that the "they" are probably the religious leaders. But the problem with all of this to me is the word "instant". How instant is instant? I mean, to a guy to whom a day is as 1000 years and 1000 years is as a day, instant can have a pretty broad meaning. I'm just a person, and it still takes 24 hours to make one day for me. So, if the "instant" is more than, say, in the millisecond range, it's not quite "instant" to me, and the 1Thess scripture starts to become watered down as time goes by.
A question to the gen pop here though, did anyone notice that when the US military (aka UN) went into Afghanistan and dismantled the Taliban, they were destroying a religion? It seems like, although I can't get much out of mainstream media (go figure), that the political survival of Iraq is a bazillion times more important to the US than it's religious survival and that it wouldn't take a lot to piss off GWB enough to just eradicate the religions so democracy can flourish in the mid east. Does it seem like that to anybody else? Wouldn't it seem cosmically ironic for babylon the great to begin being destroyed in the land of babylon itself?
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avishai
I have heard it all before
Yup, me too.
my opinion?
BEE EFF DEE!!!!!!
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Annanias
"Mangled Baby Ducks. Mangled Baby Ducks. With a name like 'Mangled Baby Ducks' it has to be good!"
-Dan Akroyd-
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Flash
But the problem with all of this to me is the word "instant". How instant is instant? I mean, to a guy to whom a day is as 1000 years and 1000 years is as a day, instant can have a pretty broad meaning. I'm just a person, and it still takes 24 hours to make one day for me. So, if the "instant" is more than, say, in the millisecond range, it's not quite "instant" to me, and the 1Thess scripture starts to become watered down as time goes by. Wouldn't it seem cosmically ironic for babylon the great to begin being destroyed in the land of babylon itself?
It seems to me, since God is speaking to us, 'instant' would be in a time frame that we would consider as fast. IMO
Yes, ironic and I think fitting!