Loathing Reflex

by czarofmischief 18 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    It has struck me lately that I probably have a lot of unresolved issues.

    Shocker, I know.

    But what I am going to toss out to you is a possible scenario, a concept I haven't read about before. One of frannie's comments got me thinking about it.

    My anger and irritation is a constant. I am always edgy, furious, and cranky. While I do try to be kind, gentle, restrained, nice, and all that other malarkey; I am usually pretty furious. I have various hot-button issues, I guess, that provoke a furious response almost like clockwork. Now. Why am i so angry all the time?

    I am going to toss out the idea that the years, indeed decades, of rhetoric that taught me to hate those outside my faith have left me almost permanently enraged at the world. Ready to fight, perhaps. I spent my formative years being told that the world was out to get me. That hordes of demons, held back only by the tenuous "White Line" of angelic intervention, were stalking me and trying to keep me from being a Jehovah's Witness. That Jehovah himself, despite all I did and was willing to do for him, might still find me unworthy at Armageddon. That my own heart was a treacherous, lying beast, a serpent within my own breast waiting to poison me if I didn't keep it tied up. That priests were the direct agents of Satan. That the governments were plotting the whole world's affairs in order to ban my religion of six million people. That during the great tribulation, I was going to have to watch my family die. That responding to violence with violence would be a sin, even in pure self-defence.

    How much of this perennial rage is due to what I was taught? How much is due to the feeling of being in "the world" I was taught to despise and renounce? Does anyone else ever feel "dirty" because they are no longer dubs?

    CZAR

  • Terry
    Terry

    Czar,

    Emotions have causes.

    Emotions are effects.

    The cause of an emotion is the value attached.

    Our values come from only two sources:

    1.Personal decision/rational analysis

    2.Unconscious programming on the part of our parents, our enviornment or an Authority figure

    You can root out the __value__attached to your emotions and change that value setting.

    You have already taken the first step by recognizing that you are at the effect of your own emotions. You are not the master of your own ship. That means somebody else is still the commander of your vessel.

    The person who controls the helm, holds the compass and sets the course is the one who commands the ship. Being a passenger aboard your own life is enough to make anybody very angry. You are in an inertial free-fall. You started life in a particular direction and all your thoughts, beliefs, values, goals and energies set you in that course. Then, you discovered you were headed the WRONG WAY. But, that alone only causes panic and anger. You have to seize control by mutiny or else you'll remain permanently angry and off course.

    The changes you have made in your life by not being an active member of Jehovah's Witnesses are SUPERFICIAL changes! Until you understand that you'll remain angry.

    You have to undo the damage to your own brain by the mind rape you experienced.

    Think of your computer. You have a Registry. Values are set in the registry which affect how the computer operates. Until you go into the HIVE and change the actual value settings it doesn't matter what you say you want to do with your programs. Nothing will operate any differently. All is controlled in the REGISTRY. It is not a matter of any other decisions.

    Step one is to discover the value attached to each one of your emotions. This is hard to do at first. Once you discover the value setting--CHANGE IT the way you want it. It is yours do set and not the fiends who did it for you.

    Good luck!

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief
    Think of your computer. You have a Registry. Values are set in the registry which affect how the computer operates. Until you go into the HIVE and change the actual value settings it doesn't matter what you say you want to do with your programs. Nothing will operate any differently. All is controlled in the REGISTRY. It is not a matter of any other decisions.

    Probably not the best analogy. Not a very good compu-boy, myself.

    But I think I get what you mean; I'm just not sure if I know how to go about it.

    CZAR

  • Terry
    Terry

    Reverse engineering should help.

    Next time you are angry, identify the OBJECT of the anger. Then ask yourself a series of questions.

    If a guy cuts you off in traffic and it enrages you, ask yourself:

    Why did he piss me off? What is really making me angry.

    A: He thinks he is more important than I am! He treats me like I'm nothing!

    Q: How?

    A:I was minding my own business not bothering anybody and he thinks he can just cut in front! He is not following the rules---I was there first!

    Q: What rules?

    A:First come; first served! I was there first! He is breaking the rule thinking he is more important than I am!

    Q: Does he know you personally? Is it really YOU he is cutting off--or, are you an anonymous person who he doesn't know?

    A: Well, he is a stranger and I am a stranger--he doesn't know ME personally.

    Q: Then he can't think he is personally more important than you are. It is all very anonymous. Yours is just a car. It just so happens it is YOU driving it.

    A: I suppose.

    Q: Why are you entitled to respect from strangers?

    A: Everybody should respect people who obey the rules. I was minding my own business and driving the speedlimit and he cut me off!

    Q: Not playing by the rules is a very bad thing?

    A: Yes! Rules are all we have to prevent chaos! Rules separate the good guys from the bad guys. Without rules we can't tell the difference.

    Q: Are you afraid, then, that you are in danger of being devalued as a Good driver by the antics of a rule breaker? Do you feel that doing the right thing deserves you a reward and that reward will be taken away from you if bad drivers get away with rule breaking?

    A: hmmm, well, maybe. Yes, I guess so.

    Q: So, you aren't angry at the guy who cut you off personally, then, are you? You are actually in fear. You fear your efforts to be good and be recognized as good and to recieve your pat on the head are in danger of being taken away through the antics of that guy who cut you off?

    A: Fear? I dunno about that.

    Q: Could the anger come from the fear?

    A: Ahhh, maybe...

    Q: Could it be that your violent anger comes from the value you place on driving by the rules because obeying rules identifies you as special: you are not a rule-breaker and are, therefore, one of the Good guys who deserves praise?

    A: Well, yes, ha ha--maybe so. Ha ha ha. That's funny!

    Q: So you value praise. You value being identified as a good guy. Your self-esteem comes from being regarded as good. That man cut you off and took away the cause of your self-respect and that cause you fear which led to being angry because you were in danger of experiencing the loss of something valuable to you personally.

    A: Wow! I guess you are right.

    Q: It wasn't personal at all, was it?

    A: No.

    That is the kind of conversation I actually have with myself!

    Am I nuts, or what?

    But, it works.

  • Scully
    Scully

    Hi Czar:

    My anger and irritation is a constant. I am always edgy, furious, and cranky. While I do try to be kind, gentle, restrained, nice, and all that other malarkey; I am usually pretty furious. I have various hot-button issues, I guess, that provoke a furious response almost like clockwork. Now. Why am i so angry all the time?

    You know what your hot button issues are that make you angry. In order to understand why they make you angry, it's important to examine those issues and determine the common denominator that triggers your fury.

    I am going to toss out the idea that the years, indeed decades, of rhetoric that taught me to hate those outside my faith have left me almost permanently enraged at the world. Ready to fight, perhaps. I spent my formative years being told that the world was out to get me. That hordes of demons, held back only by the tenuous "White Line" of angelic intervention, were stalking me and trying to keep me from being a Jehovah's Witness. That Jehovah himself, despite all I did and was willing to do for him, might still find me unworthy at Armageddon. That my own heart was a treacherous, lying beast, a serpent within my own breast waiting to poison me if I didn't keep it tied up. That priests were the direct agents of Satan. That the governments were plotting the whole world's affairs in order to ban my religion of six million people. That during the great tribulation, I was going to have to watch my family die. That responding to violence with violence would be a sin, even in pure self-defence.

    If you're still looking at the world through those filters on a subconscious level, then sure you're going to feel hostility toward it. Now you have to examine the filter you're using and determine whether it's an accurate tool for forming opinions about the world, the same way you need to be sure that the instrument panel of your car is accurate (does the fuel gauge work, does the speedometer reflect the velocity at which you drive accurately - if neither of those tools work properly, you can end up in trouble, right?)

    So ask yourself, regarding the information you get via your filters:

    • Is it true? If your filter is giving you wrong information, you're bound to make errors in judgement.
    • Is it serving your best interests? Is the information you receive from your filters keeping you from enjoying your life, is it helping you engage with the world in a productive way? Does false data that you receive from your filters serving you in a way that provides a "reward" of some kind for you?
    • Does it advance and protect your health and well being?
    • Does it help you achieve your personal goals?
    How much of this perennial rage is due to what I was taught? How much is due to the feeling of being in "the world" I was taught to despise and renounce? Does anyone else ever feel "dirty" because they are no longer dubs?

    Maybe you are mis-directing your anger? Once I realized that the WTS had lied to me about how horrible The World? and Worldly People? were, I became angry with the WTS for fcking with my thoughts and feelings - for the rape they committed on my mind and emotions - for two and a half decades. Do you, on some level, still think that the WTS might be right, even though your rational self knows that they misled you and 6 million other people for their own profit? No, I don't feel "dirty" because I'm no longer a dub. But sometimes I do feel "dirty" because I was a dub.

    Love, Scully

  • Frannie Banannie
    Frannie Banannie
    No, I don't feel "dirty" because I'm no longer a dub. But sometimes I do feel "dirty" because I was a dub.

    Exactly, Scully....and guilty, too (for me).

    Frannie B

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan
    It has struck me lately that I probably have a lot of unresolved issues.

    Me too, regarding my own self.

    Rage and loathing aren't the demons that I battle with so much though. The WTS indoctrination that still haunts me is the idea that life, with its attendant suffering and lack of absolutes and guarantees, is futile and miserable. I had reached those conclusions before I ever got involved with JW's, but to receive such a massive and sustained confirmation of that world view by men who claimed to speak for God, well, it has made life on the outside less than pleasant for me. Today (as often happens on Sundays) the despair that results from this outlook that I still subconsciously accept as being true is nearly intolerable.

    I feel for what you're going through man, and I hope that you find some contentment and peace in spite of this crazy crazy world we live in.

    Terry, been reading Albert Ellis?

  • Annanias
    Annanias

    CZAR - interesting timing, your question. I wonder, were you "raised in the truth"? I know that a lot of people on this site were. But I wasn't. I walked out of "the world" and into the KH. I've done it for nearly 30 years now, fighting myself over myself because of myself. Existing as only half a person because the other half was in a constant war with itself. Hating it all because it must be wrong, but knowing it is right. Sure the d*ckheads and d*ldoes I met along the way were just that, and they contained enough of their own issues to keep them busy for a lifetime. But, oh, how I envied them sometimes, their assuredness, their seeming security with everything they read and heard from the borg. "Christ!", I used to scream at myself, "How do you stop your mind? Where's the 'off' switch? Please, dear Jehovah, make me stop the thoughts." But he never would. And now, after everything's gone, after every last shred of anything that was me is 'poof' disappeared, I sit here in my poverties, like Job, wondering "What in the f*ck happened?" What did I do? Who did I hurt? Was I not smart enough? Humble enough? Pious enough? Charitable enough? Maybe it's because I didn't sing loud enough, or I didn't go to enough get togethers, or I used the wrong grade of gas, or... Why is it so damned easy for them and so bloody hard for me? What did I do?

    I remember getting one of those famous "shepharding calls" by the "elders", it was one of the last times I had much to do with the borg. My ex had already started planning her escape, and I was existing fat, dumb, and happy within my illusions. And they showed up with stern looks and no humor. Like NKVD agents, they assured me that the visit was "just routine", that they were required to visit all the publishers, and blah, blah. But it angered me. They were whining and moaning about FS time and study time and Bible reading, of course. But I had had enough, and I told them that every time in the past, when I or my family had needed them, they were either too busy, or just flat didn't seem to care, but now, when they have a complaint, here they are in force. So I asked them straight out, "Where were you when I needed you?" And the a**holes gave standard answer #1A for any questioning JW: Maybe God was testing you. I sat very stunned for a very long moment. I think that the number of thoughts and impulses that ricocheted around in my skull actually caused some sort of temporary paralyzing palsy, and all I could do is sit slack jawed and mute. Marveling at how wonderfully warm and fuzzy it must be to have such all encompassing stupidity. My mind screamed: "Oh yeah! Well maybe the test was on you, a**hole! And that means you flunked! I'm still here, you weren't there, now add it up, Einstein!"

    Ignorance is bliss and they are the most blissful of people, and I've cried and despised myself because I never seemed to be able to carry the same tune. I had questions, always questions. And doubts. But then, having "doubts" is a problem of "faith", in which case, I'm lacking, ergo, I'm dirty. Again. By it's very nature, the basic human factor within all religion is manipulation.

    I so enjoy the various comments and opinions of the people on this board because they really don't have a lot to cover up, and they tend to be infinitely more open than the bros & siss who's first order of business always seemed to be to put whoever they are with, ill at ease. Taken over all, the various comments are almost identical to the daily bitches of any group of frontline soldiers in any war in history. Hmmmm.

    CZAR, I think you suffer from the same malady that a lot of the folks on this site suffer from: your brain is just too quick, too analytical, too innocent for it's own damn good. And the result is that you get to sit with this giant knot in your mind that is made up of all the paradoxes, and illogic, and broken algorithmns that built up from years of studying and actually thinking about Jehovah God. But now, maybe due to lack of faith, because you don't go to the KH, and you don't go wave WTs in people's faces, and you don't sing Kingdom songs, you believe that Jehovah is going to kill you until you're dead, dead, dead! While Jeffery Dahlmer is already in the New System. Maybe that's what it's like to be tossed about like waves upon the sea?

    But all we do here, is yell at the messengers.

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    Fascinating insights, everyone. Thank you.

    Scully - sounds interesting. One thing in particular:

    Do you, on some level, still think that the WTS might be right, even though your rational self knows that they misled you and 6 million other people for their own profit?

    Yes. Sometimes more than others. Maybe that's why I get so furious with e-watchman, because he tries to play both sides of the fence: the WT is god's people but they are still wrong all the time. He's ridiculously schizophrenic about that. I mean, I KNOW that they are wrong and I know that I am much happier now. But the ingrained terror and that special feeling of being "in the know" are strangely attractive. How can I fix that?

    Terry - I already talk to myself a lot. People are starting to stare. But I'll try reasoning with myself a little more cogently.

    DantheMan - thanks for your sympathy. I have a lot going for me, so it isn't like life is that bad. I do know what you mean about Sunday Futility (tm). Maybe the door-to-door work, with all of its mindless effort and wasted years, was a lesson in agony.

    Annannias - The struggle of being constantly at war with oneself is exhausting. But peace would require surrender to the WT and I would rather die. I do know about the knot in the stomach... those elders are jerkoffs and it sounds like your ex was a loyal dubber... sorry.

    CZAR

  • Terry
    Terry

    Dantheman: Terry, been reading Albert Ellis?

    Dan, No, should I? Tell me more.

    Terry

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