Did you personally know one of the 144,000?

by badboy 57 Replies latest jw friends

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Yes, many, both in my congregations from the late 50s, on through Bethel.

    So what?

    As Blueblades says:

    Respectfully,the question begs, ( those who claimed to be of the anointed ). Knowing what I know now, none of them, those that I knew, are or ever was.

    Quoting Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason)(bold added for emphasis of my own conviction on this matter:

    It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that come to us second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication--after this, it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it it that it was made to him.
    Craig
  • kj
    kj

    My grandmother, who is not a JW, but a Bible Student, believes she is one of the 144,000.

    kj

  • astro_girl
    astro_girl

    My husband's Aunt Margaret KNOWS she's one!

  • AlanB
    AlanB

    Now here is an interesting story.

    There was one Brother, Brother Normal, in our congregation, he had a large family and at the time was around early 40's. The family had been in the congregation for some time and were part of the mainstay, he was also an elder. He was a nice Brother, so was the whole family.

    Then sometime around the late 70's he starts to partake at the memorial.

    Now my view as a 13 year old was that he had obviously been given some divine sign and that this was a personal thing. I had always been told that the 'Anointed' 'knew' and that it was a feeling that no one who had not experienced it could understand. I was surprised as I thought that the 144K had all been chosen, however my Mother explained that some fell away and had to be replaced. So as a child I felt a cirtain amount of awe for this Brother, who was actually quite down to earth and normal.

    However,

    The strange thing is that this brother becoming one of the anointed caused quite a polarized opinion in the congregation. Shortly afterwards, Brother Normal stood down as an elder and carried on as a R&F publisher, then pioneered for a while.

    Brother Autocrat, who had previously been in sole control of the congregation before the body of elder arrangement and still ruled with an iron fist, did not take the annointment of Bro Normal too well. I remember working on the Ministry with Brother Autocrats son, a recently apointed elder (both sons were being groomed) I mentioned the annointment and his comment shocked me. He said, "we dont think that he is really annointed at all", I felt quite indignant about this, even at 13 what I felt was along the lines of, "What right does Brother Autocrat and his sons have to judge whether Bro Normal is anointed or not! Especially when its a feeling that no on else would know."

    I suspect there was a jealosy thing going on, why had Brother Autocrat been anointed.

    So the situation arose where, Brother Autocrat and his clique of groomed elders looked upon Brother Normal with some suspicion.

    At the same time there were many in the congregation who held Brother Normal with a great deal of respect, especially as Brother Normal, was just that, Normal, quite humble, a nice bloke, nice family and would give quite well thought out and interesting comments (nothing remotely apostate you understand) and took a moderate and reasonable position on most things. His family had a few minor problems yet grew up into nice well adjusted people.

    So there was a clear power battle between the hard line elders run by Brother Autocrat and the more moderate popularist views of Brother Normal.

    I lost a lot of respect for the elders due to this as this is not how I would have thought someone of the anointed should have behaved at all.

    Another Story.

    I was quite young when this happenned. There was an elderly Polish Brother who took the emblems. He had been in concentration camps during WWII. When he became Ill, the doctors prescribed a course of treatment for him that could have led to his recovery. He refused any treatement and the doctors came to the view that he wanted to die. He told the elders that he wanted to die so he would recieve his heavenly reward. This understandably upset his wife who he left behind. He did die a few weeks later.

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  • Englishman
    Englishman

    All of the so-called remnant body that I came across were invariably quite old in years. I do remember that in the early 70's we had an ex-bethel boy called Ian Morrison appear in the congregation who soon announced that he had decided that he too had a heavenly calling. He would have only been in his 20's, and this announcement of his sent quite a few ripples through the congregation.

    Englishman.

  • bull01lay
    bull01lay

    My mom was quite vocal in her disapproval of my ex mother-in-law's partaking of the emblems, and her and my (ex)wife had a big bust up over it... It's probably the only time I counselled another jdub, but my counsel was such: -

    "If she is of the anointed, be careful what you say, as you will be speaking out against the Holy Spirit. If she isn't of the anointed and is partaking of the emblems, she will have to account for that with God" (it made my mom cry that she had brought up such a well adjusted and wise son)... yeah right!!!

    As I said before... if that beeyatch is up there as a judge.... I'm screwed !

    Bull!

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos
    It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that come to us second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication--after this, it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it it that it was made to him.

    I guess any "mystic" would readily agree with the "skeptic" here. And that's where mysticism departs from religion. First-hand experience is essential to mysticism. It generally echoes a traditional, outward teaching, but it can also diverge and/or find agreement with other traditions. That's why organized religion generally bewares of mysticism (or illuminism), and only circumstances separate the "saint" from the "heretic".

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Agreeing with Didier and Thomas Paine (thanks Craig) on this one...

  • Preston
    Preston
    One sister used to say that her husband was going to be her king when he got to heaven, so she had to treat him the way a king deserves starting right now.

    LOL Odrade, I could picture it now in the bedroom: "HAIL TO THE KING BABY". As for me, I did know a "brother" who was one of the "annointed" (this will be the end of me using any words in quotes in this post). He use to be a hippie in the 60's and he served in the Vietnam War as a cook for some of the soldiers there. His name was Skip and his son was the youngest person I knew that gave a public talk (19...I think?). Ironically his son was very straight laced while his father was....well....generally easy going.

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Just something I wished to add:

    In Dubland, people are expected to have no subjective religious experience at all. Only "reasoning" from the WT premises, which includes 95 % of sheer repetition and 5 % of basic deduction.

    The famous "Spirit bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God" prooftext is introduced, far from its context, as meaning "something special which you can't understand because it is not for you".

    When someone happens to experience the least religious emotion (perhaps only "feeling in tune" with some NT reading), and comes back to this text again, he cannot help thinking it applies to him and he is of the "special class".

    Add to that a non-critic mind, which does not question the whole teaching, and you get an "anointed brother". Add to that a somewhat critic mind and you soon get an "apostate"...

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