Hey ALT with 32 post since June, you must be hair alot
IBBEROEAN "Just making sure!"
by philo 13 Replies latest jw friends
Hey ALT with 32 post since June, you must be hair alot
IBBEROEAN "Just making sure!"
Philo
Interesting post.....I kind of feel the same way you do on this subject. I was baptized to fit in with everybody else and please Mother!! I'm still very active within the Org, but still many doubts. I guess I'm just still in to please everybody else............
normie
Thanks for all the replies, folks.
And for the support, Englishman.
Its interesting how people like Alternative, Sue, Fred, YK, et al, seem to thrive on the sensation of occult admiration, they need to be reviled. Interesting, but sad.
Hippikon,
I've been meaning to say for a while that you are one of my favourite posters, and I don't often tell people I love them. It's a shame you're not a sheila.
Your sense of a worthy cause was how I also thought.
When my father died, I realised I had no expectation of seeing him ever again, he was just dead, or rather he was NOT. So I changed my rationale totally. I saw myself as a low-ranking [MS] soldier in God's army. I had learned too much about the Organisation to see it as loving and motherly anymore, now it was a taskforce with a mission, I was a cog in the gear train. I read military history, strategy, lapped up the best war movies (the horror, the horror - Apocalypse now). This stuff struck deep cords in me. Horrific bible stories, once glossed over, now really meant something, they actually sustained me.
I knew my conscience was being violated every meeting I attended, I knew I was telling lies from door to door, but that was OK -- I had a mission and the end justified the means: Theocratic Warfare.
I guess this is how I continued until the generation teaching was dropped. I didn't snap. It was more a case of being war weary. I had done my best, my tour of duty. The old cliché raise its head, "what are we fighting for" when our leaders are old men and don't seem to know themselves.
Neyank,
:When we were going door to door,was it really to tell people of God or was it to sell the orginization to people?
Spot on. The 'Organisation' brochure, succinctly entitled (JWs unitedly doing God's will world-wide) was produced to do exactly this. I remember being rather uncomfortable about using this one with my studies, but you had to, at one time every 'bible' study was supposed to finish with ten minutes of Org Brochure. I soon got used to it. I guess I was "applying the technique [of doublethink] to the process itself" in a way.
philo
A new-found place
Led by angels
Empowered for good
With Reasoning and compassion
Against ignorance I engaged 'The World'.
Feeling the forces of darkness and light
Enchanted to be an atom of truth
Accelerated toward living and dying
For the final cause
As one they spoke:
Gather and huddle among us sheep
Safe from the wolves
Exemplars of love
Humble but honest exemplars of love
Lifted from water, Washed of myself
Subjected to law, Induced into order
Reduced and refined, Defined as of "Us"
18 and a Brother
Raised the curtain: the act begins
Of qualities new
Line by line
Quantities placed
Step by step
Qualifications met
Manifesting spirit for the corps
And door to door showing myself
Frame to frame
Contentedly doing, and doing again
Seeming my place amidst the compelled
United in one unit in a column
By hundreds and tens, adding or subtracting
From sullied or saved
Down, head down
Lowly high-blown
Pasted, untasted Scriptures to view
Gap-filling gruels
Groaning fools
Gnawing plainchant
Magazines selling
Creases and collars
Polished pattering
Doubt suppressed
And hours to impress on the soft terrain
Of the unteachable
Step up:
I spoke to the multitude
To the moulded and manoeuvred,
To approximate that holy shape:
The public speaker
Victory of body and troubles of mind
Brought unrequited thought
And I voiced my small voice
And dug calm nails in the listening wall
And on I prayed aloud on the stage
Weaving loathed acclaim for my name
From the fibres and the formulas
Of model material
But as one man fell to icy oblivion,
And I heard low "Resurrection Oh"
Weak bromides,
Then I comprehended my gain and my loss
Slowly it came, and without hope
I found my own unjust judgement
In a new place
With the former things not called to mind
Yet how light that congenial care
Which took to the air
As double honours announcement made
And stepped heavily from the stage
If angels beckon a second time
I will fall at their feet
Then to the dust I will ask
Only to be shown Christian love
What price you paid in human sacrifice
Of gentle histories
To fulfil the words of he who sighed
"By their fruitage will you recognise"?
For my friends -
That famous love of yours was weak
And I gaped at your efficiency
At your own hearts' bloodless surgery
When in every one of your places
Would I have done to you the same,
My brothers?
Oh to my shame, I would have.