+ Margaret Hassan +

by Seven 24 Replies latest social current

  • Simon
    Simon
    Simon: She was killed by a group of cowardly inhuman scum. How else could they be able to kill someone in such a brutal manner who dedicated her life to helping so many. Such actions cannot be blamed on the Americans or their policies as you inferred. It is the action of cowards and there is no justification possible for it.

    It was a vicious act, no doubt. But who started this war?! Who bears the ultimate responsibility for the chain of events that they knowingly decided to set in motion ... that they were even eager to set in motion?

    These cowards want Geneva Accord protections when captured by the Americans yet refuse to follow even basic humane treatment of their own captured or kidnapped prisoners. If there is such a thing as civility on the battlefield, murdering/execution of innocents on video for any reason or cause flies in the face of anything remotely human or humane/civil.

    This line of reasoning works both ways. I suppose that their actions are excused because of "the cowardly scum actions of American soldiers committing previous attrocities" for instance? Abiding by the geneva convention should be something that we want to do because we are civilised and responsible whether the other side abides by it or not. The sad fact is that America abandoned any pretense of abiding it a long time ago so I think your outrage rings a little hollow.

    Nothing excuses anything but it can explain the reasons for it.

    eg. The Soviet oppresion and attrocities in Chechneya do not excuse the inhumanity in Beslan but it does help to explain it.

    If all we can do is use one action to justify our own side then lowering our standards then how different are we to them?

  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    Outoftheorg

  • Uzzah
    Uzzah

    It doesn't explain anything except to rationalize your own position of angst Simon. But then again you have rarely shown reasonableness regarding anything remotely involving the US.

    This woman was killed by cowards. Period. Cowards have kidnapped and executed people well before either of the Gulf Wars (go back to the 60's & 70's). Some people will USE this woman's murder to rationalize their hatred (either of America or of Iraqi's).

    Bottom line this woman was killed by inhuman scum. The fact that she was their to help the very people that killed her makes this even more of a tragedy.

    Do you have it in you to simply mourn the loss of this fighter for humanity without making any politically charged commentary?

    Uzzah

  • Simon
    Simon
    Do you have it in you to simply mourn the loss of this fighter for humanity without making any politically charged commentary?

    Pardon me for wanting to look at the bigger picture.

    It's easy to posture and come out with rhetoric about how "evil the enemy is". It's a bit harder to acknowledge that it is not as simple as "we the good guys" vs "they the bad guys".

    Yes, in this case they were without doubt "the bad guys". Even Al Zikawi (sp), the current "ultimate bad guy" to the US said that she should have been freed.

    When our troops are dismembering their children with our bombs and executing people though, are we still "the good guys". Do you really see it that simplistically? Do you think that kind of blinkered view of what is going on will help to improve things?

    I don't.

  • Simon
    Simon
    But then again you have rarely shown reasonableness regarding anything remotely involving the US.

    And since when has the US shown any reasonableness in this whole situation?! OF THEIR OWN MAKING.

    The blood of this good woman is on Bush and Blair's hands as well as the people who actually 'did the deed' IMO.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    A difficulty we have when seeking to help people of another culture is that they may not see it in the same light as we do. We may have the noblest motives and wish to relate in terms that we're used to. For example, an Aussie is used to mateship, egalitarianism and so on but how to get that through to people of another culture who see us as wanting to lord it over them with our money and our power and our goods., kinda like a cargo cult mentality.

    Whatever the reasons we have for giving aid, how will it be received? is the question that's so often overlooked IMO.

  • fleaman uk
    fleaman uk

    I wonder if Blair will go to the Funeral or memorial Service,as he did Ken Bigleys,and blink back those Tears?

    He does that so well..

  • Special K
  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    The fact is she did try to prevent the US/UK military action against Iraq when it was still time. And of course she wasn't heard.

    I guess a new rise of anti-Iraqi/Arab/Moslem hate is the last thing she would have wished for a consequence of her death.

    Those who really work for peace are the true enemies of those who are really out to war and civilisation clash. Both sides.

  • Simon
    Simon
    I wonder if Blair will go to the Funeral or memorial Service,as he did Ken Bigleys,and blink back those Tears?

    He does that so well..

    Yes

    That time he came out with some nauseating comment:

    "Now is not the time for soundbites ...

    ... but can I just say that 'we stand on the precipice of a new world beginning'"

    (groan)

    After all the fuss he made to make sure he got on camera for the-olde-royal-funeral I wouldn't bet against him trying to muscle in wherever a camera will be switching on with his "earnest furrowed eyebrows, creased jeans, sincere smile" pose.

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