Will the shunning began? (page 2)

Mystery

Granny Linda

It sounds like you have a wonderful real family right there with you. I hope after you left you were able to get the medical help you needed.

We go through all sorts of emotions when we find out that our baby is having a baby. I thought i had went thru it all trying to find my son help. Well, he has topped it again! I am over the initial shock. I gonna be a Granny!

I hope the end, or it is the beginning, to my story turns out as happy as yours is now. I had my wonderful real family right here beside me all along.

BTW - It is going to be a girl; i know because it is the only way he can have double the trouble that he caused me. I deserve some revenge right?

gdt

hello there 'mystery'.....wonderful news.......just some more pleasures and pains, but isn't that life? anyway, i just felt that your question deserved more than outright bitterness or almost hatefulness about the horrible, disgusting, evil, hurtful, unloving witnesses....please don't judge jesus by judas.

when even the saviour himself could not get a bunch of decent people around him sometimes, what hope is there for anyone today? I am a witness, have been a long time, could write this letter forever telling you of the nice, kind, helpful, endearing, loving, generous, kind etc etc spirited peope and actions of so many beautiful people in 'the truth' trying so hard to be good. surely this includes your family or at least some of them!

and (my tuppence worth) if after so many years you have been away , please don't think today's responsible brothers are there to hurt or punish you or your family.

i would like to suggest, rather than ignore your family or the brothers, just be plain truthful, just say you have tried hard, you are going to be there for your kids, you feel like the need for a 'good samaritan', is there any around? or something like that. you may well be surprised. i do trust that if you decide to go that direction, you are treated with respect and kindness, not threats or any hurtful words to anyone.

please let me know what happens, i have faith in the organization/brothers doing most things right and kind, even though it does not seem many others do.

kind regards, gdt. geoff.

Mystery

Thank you for your kindness geoff. The congregation I attended and was baptized in take disfellowshipment very seriously. I know that my family will turn their back on me. It is their choice. They will be the ones missing out on the new addition to our household. I to was a witness. I preached with zeal. Then I watched the shunning. When I was with my family I likewise shunned the disfellwoshipped; when I was alone I talked with them. It absolutely broke my heart when my ?brother? or ?sister? broke down due to the actions they were receiving from their ?brothers? and ?sisters?. They had simply made a mistake, but instead of being taken in and given a hug they had back turned on them. I could never agree with that ?law?; even when I was zealously proclaiming, as I thought then, the truth.

I will do as you suggest and let things fall where they may. I have something to ask of you, I want you to look around you, at those that are Baptist, Methodist, Catholic and see if you notice as well that there are nice, kind, helpful, endearing, loving, generous, kind etc etc spirited people and actions of so many beautiful people these people that the brothers say will be killed in Armageddon. Do you really feel, as the organization does, that the beautiful child that you see the next time you go into a store is going to be killed by God because she isn?t a witness? I would like for you to truly think of these things, if only for a minute. When you are at work or at the store or at the park or going out to dinner you are simply waiting on a everyone around you to die so that you and your brothers can live in their perfect paradise. If you sincerely think about it, it is a pretty sad situation.

When you get to your perfect paradise I hope for a fleeting second that you remember this email; I will be dead, my son will be dead and my grandchild will be dead. But this is the way your God is?

I am sure that i will post again after telling my family. I will have people like Dansk, outoftheorg, Granny Linda and kls to remind me that my family made their choice. Mine is to care for my immediate family and my up and coming grandchild.

gdt

It was so nice to have a reply from you, and to know a little more of the background of your life too. As to the major point you mention, where have you read the the 'nice, kind etc etc' person who we see every day is going to be killed by God? The simplest answer is to let the Judge worry about that, and guess what? That Judge is not me, not you, not any of the brothers, not the Society, the only words we have from the creator are in Scripture, and even that is subject to various understandings, as you know.

I think of several things. There is going to time when the Judhe acts. It could be toady, tomorrow, ages away, and who knows? Only the Father. In the meantime, for all of us 'be awake', but 'stop judging, lest we be judged'. I also think of the verses in Thessalonions speaking about the two classes whom Jesus will turn his attention to, 1stly the ones who do not know, 2ndly, the ones who do not obey....

So who are those? Not your or my business, is it. If we read how God feels, He doesn't want any to be destroyed, but wants all to attain to repentance. If we don't, what next? In other words, if we are kind, nice, humble, sorry for any wrongs, at least he should have hope. true?

Howabout just read Hosea chapter 11, and Jonah chapt 4, and see how you would answer that major question you mentioned to me........and would you be good enough to share your thoughts please?

It was really nice to hear from you, it seems you are worrying too much about matters you shouldn't be, I do the same, so it's the pot calling the kettle black here! But my wife and I are just doing our best to help people, not be their judge. We were df'd years ago after an awful time in my life, but it is not a cloud over us, been reinstated for 18 yrs, there would no doubt be a few still critical, as we hurt a few family members by our wrongdoing at the time, but ---- those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.....true?

Take care and thank you,

gdt geoff.

gdt

ps sorry for the mis-spelling...blame the typist!

garybuss

So Geoff, were you disfellowshipped before or after you were a circuit servant? I never heard of a reinstated Witness making circuit servant. GaryB

gdt

Hi Gary, no after, and I've not heard of any df'd ones make it back on circuit work, as elders and ms's, but I understand that the circuit overseer represents the society....represents God?.. and I personally would have no problem with such a situation, especially an example of humility, forgiveness by the rank and file etc etc, I could think of many good reasons as no doubt you could, but on the other hand they would take the view that if (like me) a brother was on the circuit work after 10 years of pioneering etc, and failed to uphold the right principles, he could perhaps do it again..???? After talking about Hosea chapt 11 and Jonah chapt.4, to know how God feels about people .......a heavy call (in my opinion) not to use anyone like me after 18 years of being 'half alright!!' ,anyway, just my thoughts. are you OK? hope so, cheers, geoff.

garybuss

Hi Geoff

Thanks for the reply. I think it's cool you were a pioneer, a circuit servant, disfellowshipped, back a Witness for 18 years, and now exchanging messages with me. You are an interesting character.

You wrote:

are you OK? hope so,

Yup! I am great. I am looking at fall and winter as not my favorite seasons and I am still encumbered with a rational functioning mind. Hope you are well and happy. GaryB

gdt

Hello there Gary, I am worrying about your 'mind' and also about me jumping subjects on this thread, but I just couldn't help but assure 'mystery' to stop worrying, nobody brings the sun up....true? Well unless you and I have some control and power........ anyway, cheers, talk to you later, and I do appreciate the replies and trust a swell of kindness washes over all you guys hurting over there!.

gdt geoff.

Mystery

Gdt ? I guess in Australia shunning is not as severe as it is in the congregation I grew up in.

I also assume that being part of a non-JW apostate website in not as evil as it is in the US. Being a circuit overseer I would have believed that you would follow the society?s rules and regulations to the letter. Maybe Australian JW?s simply aren?t as stringent as the dear brothers and sisters are over here.

If you would like a topic I suggest you post a new one with the subject that you have in mind.

Mine is regarding my up and coming grandchild and my mom and sister not being part of his/her life due to the shunning of JW?s.

And as far as worrying about it; right now i am only worried about which color Jordan's to buy - pink or blue.

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