The Logisitcs of Destroying Organized Religion

by truthseeker 11 Replies latest jw friends

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  truthseeker

  Jehovah's Witnesses are familiar with their doctine concerning Babylon The Great's destruction. They define Babylon The Great as the "world empire of false religion", and that Jehovah God will use the United Nations to turn on her.

  The "Keep On The Watch" brochure says the following, regarding the destruction of Babylon The Great:

  "For our day, the Bible forecasts that political governments, like a wild beast, will turn on "the harlot" and strip her naked, exposing her real

  character. They will completely destroy her." - Revelation 17:16

  And Revelation 17:16,17 says:

  "And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her

  fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire. For God will put [it] into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out [their] one

  thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished."

  There are a few problems with this scenario to consider.

  1) The United Nations was unable to prevent the war in Iraq, the genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan, and is corrupt. In effect, they are a paper tiger.

  2) Their may be 10 kings (horns) who think God's thoughts, but their are over 200 sovereign nation states. What say do they have regarding the religion of their people?

  3) Many countries throughout the world are democracies. Democracy is defined as the following:

  1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
  2. A political or social unit that has such a government.
  3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
  4. Majority rule.
  5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

  What do you think the people will say, when their government tells them they can no longer go to church and worship God? Do you think they will actually do this?

  How could millions of voters simultaneously decide they want religion to go?

  How are the governments going to persuade the public to stop going to church?

  Say for example, Tony Blair, bans religion. Is he going to use the army to stop people from going to a church/synagogue/mosque?

  4) Many counties are theocracies. Notably, Iran, has a hard line clerical government. Can you really see Iran, whose religion is their way of life, suddenly renouncing Allah and all religion?

  The millions of Muslim men and women - are they simply going to stay home and become atheists? Their religion is how they live.

  So as you can see, their are several problems that appear, when we talk of religion being destroyed by the United Nations.
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  freein2004

  Dubs are clinging to this idea still! My family makes comments like "don't you see it?" You're always watching news how can you not see or get the sense that governments are going to turn on religion?"

  A few days ago a pioneer dub I talked to at the door made a similar comment. I told her just as I told my sister I just don't see it. How is it possible Government is going to ban religion? It's a nice thought as religion is a problem but it is not the only problem in this world.
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  The Logisitcs of Destroying Organized Religion

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  ivanatahan

  As you mentioned, the United Nations doesn't hold NEARLY enough power to even think of doing such a thing. On top of that, even if it did, it wouldn't be in their interests. Religion is indeed too ingrained into the hearts of too many people, so any government supporting the end of religion would be making a horrible mistake. Even people not in any religion may oppose any governmental restriction on religion. It isn't about restricting organized religion, it's about people's rights to organized religion. Everyone without distinction is entitled to that. No government should be able to do that, and if the people let any government ban organized religion, then the people have given the government too much power.
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  blondie

  "Don't you see it"

  Jesus said you would not see it.......

  (Matthew 24:43, 44) . . .. 44 On this account YOU too prove yourselves ready, because at an hour that YOU do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming.
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  Viviane

  That's likesaying water will cease to be wet. Drinks!
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  SonoftheTrinity

  The Jehovah's Witness organization is prophesying against itself. Religion is a racket and a snare.
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  budbayview

  I see it everyday globally, and religion is currently eroding. By the way this is not a JW or political view.

  The religious bodies and religious ideologies around the world today have failed to keep pace with the increased knowledge and spiritual needs and desires of mankind. The proliferation of the Internet has provided access to a wide range of historic documents, viewpoints, blogs, secular, theological, and scholarly information to increase ones thirst for truth and knowledge. Globalization and access to once coveted historical documents that were confined to the annals of the privileged are now accessible by anyone with the initiative, the Internet, and a web browser.

  A Gallup survey of Americans' Spiritual Searches Turn Inward, states that increasingly more people consider themselves spiritual than subscribing to a particular faith or religious doctrine. A new phrase has even been coined to identify this category, Spiritual but not religious (SBNR). In a January 2002 poll, 33% said they are "spiritual but not religious" (Gallup, 2007).

  The founding fathers of this county, and those who fought and gave their lives to build this United States of America on the backs a fundamental Christian ideology would be thwarted to see the deliberate eradication of their beliefs from the federal and state systems to proliferate a message of global religious, and cultural tolerance. Albeit, this shift may sound innocuous, and even positive to some, its message is telling and consequential; the US is removing Christian symbols and refraining from utilizing the word “God” in government controlled facilities in order to demonstrate impartiality. Our Current President just gave a speech and according to USA Today, “After condemning ISIS, the President softened his criticism by equating their conduct with Christians during the Crusades. In addressing that moral equivalency,” http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/02/10/president-obama-prayer-breakfast-crusades-comment-column/23148065/ Additionally, his unprecedented antichristian rhetoric and behavior is well documented.

  I am not judging, just reporting the news. The Aramaic faith that spawned Judaism, Christianity and Islamic beliefs, collectively represent 60% of the practiced religions across the globe according to the List of Major Religions on the Adherents website (Adherents, 2007). Those are big lines in the sand. Religious ideology still dominates as the fuel for cultural discontent and war, so how do we get everyone in the world to play together? Eradicate religion and provide social control through other means. As radical Islam continues to gain momentum, how can we separate the religion form the violent dissidents? It is imposable. In my opinion, I offer one of many possible scenarios, religious wars will continue to escalate, environmental, and economic concerns will decline, freedoms will erode, and be replaced with consistent surveillance in the name of peace and security, government controls health and wellness systems, corporations gain more control of the food supply, social stratification will increase so that one percent of the population controls 100 percent of the resources, technology will provide an army of killer droids and robots devoid of conscious or moral sensibilities, capable of enacting exact instructions without any moral obligations. Once complete social control is established, the ruling party will have the leverage. These apocalyptic visions will be possible within 10-15 years, some may have already taken pace in some parts of the world. However, the point of this is not eschatological, or fear mongering, or religious proselytizing. Forget John’s Revelations, this is simply current observation and one possible prediction.

  What will happen when you can no longer worship the God of your choice because all religion is outlawed as terroristic enemies of the state?
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  EdenOne

  The day all mankind awakens from the drug-induced coma of organized religion and spontaneously walks away from it without the need to outlaw it, allowing it to die a natural death and relegating it to the displays of Anthropology museums - that day will be a very happy day.

  Eden
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  TheOldHippie

  A friend of mine finished his Ph.D. thesis in world politics, or better the East-West conflict, in spring 1989. His main point was that the Socialist system as seen in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe was "here to stay" and would remain active for a very long time.

  One year later, it was all gone. He and I had great fun autumn 1989, each weekend a new Socialist country "fell". How he wished he had never finished his Ph.D.

  So things can happen fast. That said, I have huge problems seeing the UN deciding anything like the present understanding, but things can be said and done in a very different way, and it can be one of the foremost examples of how prophecy is only understood afterwards.