busted by a fake evergreen tree

by cab1000 33 Replies latest jw friends

  • Gill
    Gill

    Sorry to hear your story Cab1000!

    My husband's Grandmother always received a Christmas Hamper from her husbands old firm, a large turkey and all the goodies, christmas pudding and pies etc. She decided, since the turkey was enormous, to invite all the old brothers and sisters and poorer brothers round for dinner to share the feast. It was around christmas time but then when else are you going to get christmas things? So she holds her christmasy do and they all had a lovely dinner. The next day, the elders turned up and she was reproved for misconduct. Basically, in a nice way she told them where to shove their reproof and shamed them as she noticed that the elderly, the single older sisters and those in divided households were not very often invited to anything.

    She had at that time already been in the truth for sixty years!

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    I went through my phase of excusing Witness people and blaming the "organization" too. I thought about it and I have not really been harmed by any "organization". All my scars were made by people. People I used to care about so I was vulnerable to them. Now I am holding the individuals responsible and I am not excusing them any longer and I am notifying them that it's not okay and I am not shifting responsibility over to any business. They get off easy when they are not held responsible.

    The "Organization" is an abstract idea. I'm not aware of one person who can define and identify the components. It's like a cloud . . . almost not real . . . it's just a concept we were sold. People are real. Rejection is real and abuse is real. GaryB



  • Mary
    Mary

    Cab, your experience sounds very similiar to a friend of mine. She and her husband have not been to a meeting for over 10 years. Both their sons are elders now. My friend decided about a year ago to start smoking again (after quitting for 25 years). I gave her supreme shit for starting this habit again, but I would never consider letting it stop our friendship----unlike her sons. Neither of them will speak to her now and she's not allowed to see her grandchildren anymore either. The one found Christmas presents in her house last year too, so that was another nail in her coffin.

    While it certainly is ridiculous that family ties can end over things like this, it certainly is no surprise. I asked my friend why she's so shocked at their reaction; after all, they're Witnesses and she's smoking and celebrating Christmas---what on earth did she expect?

    While I can sympathize with your situation, I'd like to ask: what on earth were you expecting? You've got a Christmas tree up and a Witness relative refuses to stay...........gee, what a surprise.

  • LovesDubs
    LovesDubs

    I read this post and I just wanted to cry. It reminds me so much of how tumultuous having one foot in and most of you out of the Org gets. Its constant weighing, grappling, wondering, feeling guilty because you "shouldnt be doing" this that or the other....and there is no "grey" area that is OK. You want to be normal, have normalcy with your children. You want your FAMILY and you love your family and the damn family turns on you like Jekyl and Hyde when you even SLIGHTLY have the appearance of evil. When did we relinquish power to this this...MONSTER up in Brooklyn that eats families? marriages? relationships? JOY?? What the F?????

    Thanksgiving....how many freakin JWs have a WHOLE feast including the damn turkey on Thanksgiving and invite JWs over?? How many times did you get or give presents that were wrapped discretely so as not to resemble Christmas gifts or birthday presents but really WERE? How many of us gladly accepted our Christmas bonuses from work and then told Grandma Ellen that we would NOT take her Christmas present because it was pagan?

    How many JW costume parties did we attend or give around Halloween?? And...give out candy of course "because it was cheap".

    Why in hell should anyone have to live like this? Being a JW was a nightmare for me and rare is the person I met in the last 20 years of being in, out or around it that actually LOVES it. Usually its some old lady with absolutely nothing else to do with her time who does it for the social value.

    I MOURNED the loss of my Christmases when I became a JW in 84...literally went into depression from Thanksgiving until about Jan 2. Watched in dismay the people having company on our street, bringing gifts into a house filled with laughter, music, lights and wonderful smells. Children dressed up in their finest, and going to Christmas Eve services and holding a candle. I cried alone in my car where I COULD play the Christmas carols and sing and no one would see me. I got a few scattered cards from people and would keep them and look at them alone. I would buy a pine scented candle or perhaps cinamon...something to take the edge off my misery, going to meetings and passing all the beautiful decorations and coming home to a plain dark house. It was devastating.

    After Christmas even garbage day hurt...Id drive down the street and see all the wrappings and discarded trees with their tinsel gleaming in the sun...and feel the pain of the loss. I would convince my husband to let me see my family and they would always accommodate us on like Christmas Eve Eve or something but my nonJW dad would give me a plain gift because "I was still his daughter." And I would take it "so I wouldnt hurt his feelings" but Id cherish it.

    When I finally decided to write that disassociation letter in Jan 97, it was the longest year of my life waiting to share Christmas with my children who had never seen its beauty. People in the neighborhood who found out we were celebrating for the very first time, brought gifts...pieces of their own collections to help us start ours....a little tree, some village houses that lit up, some ornaments, a little angel for the tree. It was the best christmas ever. My JW husband tried to make us miserable just by BEING here...moping, muttering snapping at us..but we plowed right over his nastiness. Now he just leaves for the week because he knows he cant stop us.

    So have your little snowman tree. Live your life! Unafraid! Just you and GOD and your heart. Be true to YOURSELF. No one else matters. No one.

    Hugs, D

  • nilfun
    nilfun

    Excellent post, LovesDubs!

  • lisaBObeesa
    lisaBObeesa

    I can't believe you thought you were gonna get away with explaining it was 'just a small tree with some lights on it', not a Christmas tree!

    That's like saying you only became a UN NGO to get a library card, not to actually support the UN!

    Oh wait, maybe you could have gotten away with it......

  • cab1000
    cab1000

    I guess you all are right, I should have expected no less, but somehow, I wrongly thought that he would somehow overlook the whole thing, like it was just a bad idea, no different than my goatee.

    I am trying to upload a pic of the thing here so you can get the idea. I must say that by looking at a picture of it, it does indeed look very much like a christmas tree, and no less. What was I thinking? I should have hid that thing for his visit, so I could keep him imageing we were somewhat interested in being witnesses. This could lead to more, as he may inform our local elders that we are in need of an "adjustment". I kind of doubt that would happen, but one never knows.

    Thank you for your comments, too bad I came out looking like the silly one......

  • MungoBaobab
    MungoBaobab

    Haha, lisa. That's really funny. I'll have to mark you down for Good Use of Illustartions in the Apostate Ministry School Guidebook.

  • lisaBObeesa
    lisaBObeesa

    Hey, I was just joking around, cab...I don't think you really came out looking silly...I'm sorry if I came off like that...there is just a bit of humor in the situation..:).

    Actually, I think you came out looking like you have slipped to smoothly and naturally into 'normal' life that you forgot just how crazy the old life really was.

    I hear your pain in the original post, and I am sorry that your 'JW-fade' cover has been blown. If there are rough times ahead, we will all be here for you. I hope they just leave you alone.

    And read Lovesdubs post! Especially this part:

    So have your little snowman tree. Live your life! Unafraid! Just you and GOD and your heart. Be true to YOURSELF. No one else matters. No one.

    Take care!

    -LisaBObeesa

  • vitty
    vitty

    You do realize you can get disfellowshipped for celebrating christmas, if you want to fade quietly this is one thing you just cannot get away with.

    You will still have to sacrifice some things if you want your family to still think your in,

    Maybe its make your mind up time?????????

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