by jayhawk1 45 Replies latest jw friends
Dear A Guest,
I have never has an experience like the one you mention. However, if something happens to me like you speak, I do welcome it. But, I am doubtful it will happen to me. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Dear Spinner,
Also thank you for your thoughts as well. I will reread those scriptures for myself. Just like the Boreans (I think that's right) I will check the scripture for myself.
Thanks to both of you!
Also to Kent,
I like your website! It exposes the Society very well. Your thoughts are also appreciated and welcomed.
Dearest Spinner... may you have peace!
May I direct your attention to Ephesians 1:13 and 4:30 and say to you that one is 'sealed' BEFORE death (for holy spirit is the 'seal' and 'token' of what is to come)... and one CAN afterward 'break' such seal... before death.
Hebrews 1:12; 4:11; 6:4-6; and 10:26-31.
Dearest Jayhawk... again, peace to you!
May I say to you that:
"Therefore, if YOU... although being wicked... know how to give good gifts to YOUR children, how much more so will the Father in heaven give HOLY SPIRIT... to those ASKING him?"
"If anyone is lacking in wisdom, let him kee on asking God, for He gives GENEROUSLY to ALL, and without reproaching; and it WILL be given him. But... let him keep on asking... IN FAITH... NOT doubting at ALL... for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven by the wind and blown about. In fact, let not THAT man suppose that he will receive ANYTHING from JAH; he is an indecisive man, unsteady in ALL his ways."
Therefore, I say to you, Jayhawk, by means of the spirit of my Father that is in me, holy spirit, by means of Christ...
KEEP seeking, KEEP asking... and KEEP knocking... and it will be 'opened' to you. Therefore, IF you are truly 'wishing' it...
"Come! Take 'life's water' free!"
Revelation 22:17
Your servant and a slave of Christ,
SJ
Dear AGuest,
I will continue to do just that. Thanks again for your reply and your concern. May you have peace too!
Jeremy
Shelby,
This topic is one that I always wondered about since I was a little kid... how do they KNOW? Believe me when I say that I hate agreeing with my Norwegian friend because, well, I hate agreeing with him, but on this his view is mine.
Your experience is quite remarkable, and I do not doubt that you believe you experienced something. However, you made the statement that The call goes out to ALL... and all are 'invited'. But how one gets 'chosen' is based on whether or not one responds to the call. ALL have the capacity to hear the voice ... That ability has been programmed into US...
My question(s) is:
How do people like me tune in to god? Do we have to or does god figure out our "language"? Why is it that some like you and Saul of Tarsus "see a great light," hear clear voices and get smacked on the forehead and schmucks like me never even see a flicker or hear a whisper? How do I go about finding the right channel, or is it that there's something wrong with me and god would rather not have me in his company for all eternity? Could it be that god called me and I either wasn't listening or didn't understand? Does he call only once, and if we miss it then it's just too bad? Is there but one chance to catch the train, or does it come by another time?
I'm serious with this. Why do some have these visions and receive a "calling" and not others?
peace,
todd ~ who ranks the movie Phenomenon as one of his all-time favorites
simple
they have sucked up enough to be appointed to the governing body, because that's who is really being refered to every time you here expressions like "annointed" ,"Faithful and discreet slave" by dumbdumb elders on the platform or when you read the mags.
sawthelight
Dearest Teej... may you have peace, dear one!
By the spirit of my Father that is in me, holy spirit, by means of my Lord, His Son, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, I will respond to your sincere questions:
How do people like me tune in to god?
God is a spirit, Todd. And so, it is with the SPIRIT that you see, touch, taste, smell... and hear... that which is spiritual. But first, you must have faith, and faith means experiencing something with your SPIRIT... that you cannot with your flesh.
Do we have to or does god figure out our "language"?
Initially, when communicating with you, God... or rather Christ, sounds much like you. This is so that you understand what is being said to you. If he were to come with a different voice... you might be frightened. If he were to come with a different languge, you might not understand. But when speaking, he communicates with you in the same manner that you communicate with others. As your discussions progress, however, you begin to hear his voice as quite distinct from yours... like 'many waters' or multi-dimensional. It is always calm, cool and collected. He doesn't 'trip' like we do, no matter what he is saying, even if its discipline. He always speaks in love, even if you are in need of 'refinement' due to a nakedness or uncleanness of heart that he has 'exposed'.
Why is it that some like you and Saul of Tarsus "see a great light," hear clear voices and get smacked on the forehead and schmucks like me never even see a flicker or hear a whisper?
Regarding the voices, you all hear them, too. You just try to find some physical or scientific explanation for it, or simply DISMISS it, rather that EXERCISING faith that it is indeed what it is. Too much like 'crazy' to do that, right? With regard to the light and getting 'smacked on the forehead', Paul was 'given' what HE needed to increase his faith... and I was given what I needed. My understanding from my Lord, however, is that we would both believe that it was WHAT it was, rather than dismiss it or attempt to explain it physically.
Remember, there were men there WITH Paul... and they too heard what he heard. What, though, did they DO about it? Most likely, tried to forget about it, promised each other not to talk about it or tell anyone, 'cause folks would think they were crazy. Who WANTS to be though crazy? But you know, folks are always wanting to run around CALLING others crazy.
How do I go about finding the right channel, or is it that there's something wrong with me and god would rather not have me in his company for all eternity?
The word of my Lord to you is "KEEP seeking, KEEP asking and KEEP knocking." Show him that you want it, Todd. But let me tell you this: They can read hearts; you CAN'T fool them. If you are not sincere, or if you are but are wanting to receive the spirit of God, holy spirit... and its gifts... including 'discernment of inspired utterance'... in order to bring glory to yourself, to have people think YOU are 'special'... rather than it is HE that is special and HE that is to be glorified... and to lead others to yourself, others like you or some 'religious' organization for the purpose of 'fleecing' them...
... rather than for the SOLE purpose of offering to them FREE what you yourself would have received FREE... It will not occur.
So, what do you need to do?
1. ASK...
2. Out of a CLEAN heart and pure motive (which means LISTENING when he tells you of your uncleanness and impurity and 'leaven', which is hypocrisy... and work to remove such...)
3. In FAITH (you have to believe He is, and will grant what you ask for - Luke 11:13)
Could it be that god called me and I either wasn't listening or didn't understand?
Absolutely. Most likely, it was both... not that you weren't listening, but you DIDN'T listen when He instructed you with regard to what YOU needed to do... and/or didn't understand that it was indeed YOU He was speaking to and instructing, and instead, tried to 'cleanse' someone else. Take the 'rafter' out of your OWN eye... first.
Does he call only once
No. How many times did he call Samuel, before Samuel realized it was Him? Indeed, did not Eli have to TELL Samuel who it was that was calling him? And why, since indeed he was the high priest, did ELI not 'hear' God calling Samuel? Why was it only Samuel... a child age about 3 to 5... the only one who heard?
... and if we miss it then it's just too bad?
We don't 'miss' it. We 'refuse' it. "How much I wanted to gather you like a hen gathers her chicks. But you... didn't WANT it." Judas... 'refused' it. Adam and Eve... refused it. Pharaoh... refused it. The scribes and Pharisees... refused it. All who RECEIVE him... will 'gain' him. The Spirit and the Bride KEEP saying, to ANY who are thirsting, to ANY who are hearing, to ANY who 'wish' it...
"Come! Take 'life's water'... free!"
Most, however, have been grossly misled... by RELIGION... that such invitation only goes out to a few. That is true in that there is only a FEW... wishing, hearing and thirsting. But of those, ALL can 'drink'. If then, YOU are wishing and thirsting to drink... and thus, HEAR the invitation... you, too, can come and received the 'water of life', holy spirit, FREE. It is those who are NOT wishing, thirsting and hearing, who have 'shut up the kingdom of the heavens' before YOU... telling YOU... that such 'covenant', one for life... is not offered to YOU. That... is a lie... and is from the 'father' of the lie, for he does not WISH you to gain life. Thus his agents, the 'offspring of vipers', do HIS 'will'... and deny you and millions of others access into that kingdom, wherein lies the Tree of Life, from which ANYONE who eats of it, may live forever.
Read this, Todd, and then let me know what it says to YOU... and what you've been TOLD:
John 6:48-56
Is there but one chance to catch the train, or does it come by another time?
It comes through... each GENERATION. It stays... for a 'generation'... and then passes on. You have the opportunity... during your lifetime... to get on the 'train'... and you can get on it two ways:
1. By becoming a PART of Israel, by means of entering into the NEW Covenant between God and Israel, mediated by Christ and ratified by his flesh and blood, which is available to the fleshly descendants of Abraham AND to the nations, those that 'go with' Israel... and which acceptance is demonstrated by eating the flesh and blood of Christ...
2. Or by doing good TO Israel, as did Rahab. For her, by means of her FAITH... as demonstrated NOT by being in the covenant, or being circumcised, but showing 'good' to God, by showing good to His people in hiding the Israelite spies, she DEMONSTRATED that she knew JAH was the true God... and thus received a blessing.
The first of these is not open only to 144,000... but to ALL of 'earthling' man. That number is merely the amount of 'slots' in the kingdom priesthood GUARANTEED to Abraham's seed. Since they, for the most part defaulted on their 'covenant' with God, He ensured that His promise to Abraham would not go ungranted. Thus, He GAVE 144,000 seats, 12,000 each for each tribe from 'among the sons of Israel', excluding Dan and double for Joseph. The REMAINDER of the seats at my Lord's table in his kingdom, thrones, are given to the nations, in an amount NO man is able to number.
Once your life in this 'world' has ended, though, you have no other opportunity to fulfill any of these means for gaining entry into the kingdom.
I'm serious with this.
Yes, I know you are... for my Lord has said to me that you are. He can read your heart... I cannot. I must simply believe what he tells me. And I do.
Why do some have these visions and receive a "calling" and not others?
Because some have faith 'to the preserving alive of the soul'... like Noah who heard the command the build the ark, even though no one else did, including his family... and did 'just so'... and some don't.
I am your servant, Teejay, as I am servant to the entire Household of God, Israel, and any that would 'go with' them. If I can be of service to you... all you need do is let me know. I would tell you first, to approach my Father, through my Lord and in his name, and ask what it is your heart desires. But ask, in faith, not doubting... and with a clean heart. That simply means, don't try to fool Him... for you cannot. Acknowledge who and what you REALLY are... and go from there.
I bid you peace, and I am...
YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,
SJ
My dearest AGuest,
Thankyou for questioning my reasoning!! This gives me the opportunity to explain myself. You say that you disagree with me that the seal given to the slaves at Rev 7:3 "is given upon death."
Two Types of Sealing
Ephesians 1:13,4:30-------the seal of the promise of Holy Spirit
given to those while alive
Revelation 7:3------------fulfullment of the promised seal on the
forehead given after dying faithfully
(sign of absolute ownership)
Spinner
Hello, dearest Spinner... and may you have peace!
Indeed, the 'seal' is holy spirit; however, the fulfillment of that 'sealing' is not death, for not all in union with Christ... die.
John 11:26
1 Corinthians 15:51
1 Thessalonians 4:17
The fulfillment, dear Spinner, is the putting off of the flesh 'with its blood', and putting on of the flesh that has no blood other than holy spirit, the 'blood' of God. This 'putting off' does not requre that one die in the flesh (with its blood), but simply that one be 'changed', transfigured, metamorphed, just as my Lord demonstrated.
For those who DO die, at the time that my Lord returns, they will be raised UP in such spirit body... a 'resurrection'. For those who don't, they will simply be changed, 'in a twinkling' at the time that such other ones are raised up.
But I understand why you think and believe the way you do. Unfortunately, you have been misled.
I bid you peace.
A slave of Christ,
SJ
Shelby,
First I must say that in reading through your description of god's interaction, you kept saying stuff like "when god speaks to you..." Let me offer a minor correction. To my knowledge god has never talked to me or communicated with me personally in any way. Ever.
You say that God communicates with you in the same manner that you communicate with others -- with a voice that in time becomes more and more distinct. In saul's experience, you say others who were present also heard the voice. Has a person present with you ever heard god's voice as he talked to you? I know that I have never heard a voice out of the invisible communicate with someone I was with. As far as I know, none of my companions, family, etc. have ever been addressed by god, at least not while I was around. Aside from you, I have never even HEARD of a person who has regularly heard god's voice, other than the folks in the bible, of course.
You say that I should show him that I want it because "they" can read hearts. Since they can't be fooled if I'm not sincere "it will not occur." You seem to be saying that if I don't want it really really bad and if I don't keep on seeking it, then they won't waste their time with me. Hmmm... I'm not like that with my daughter. I talk to her all the time and she hears me every time. After all, that's why I talk to her... so that she can hear me. Usually she wants me to talk to her so I make sure that she understands. I guess god isn't like that with his children. In order for most of us to hear god to talk to us we have to want it real bad.
You said that I have to "ASK Out of a CLEAN heart and pure motive (which means LISTENING when he tells you of your uncleanness and impurity and 'leaven', which is hypocrisy... and work to remove such...)." Is that god's main emphasis in talking to people? To continually remind us that we are unclean and impure? Does god ever give direction when people are lost on the road, or have to make a financial decision? Does he ever tell jokes to make people laugh to lighten your day?
You said that it was "likely" that god HAS called me and that I either wasn't listening or didn't understand. You said that I "DIDN'T listen when He instructed me with regard to what I needed to do... and/or didn't understand that it was indeed me He was speaking and instructing." Again, when it's my daughter, since I'm quite a bit older and she doesn't talk as well, I know that sometimes she doesn't understand what I'm saying. When that happens, I don't go, "oh, forget it... you're not listening" or "you just don't understand." Instead, I use different words or patiently repeat what I said -- maybe lead her by the hand or demonstrate by my own actions what I mean. Before long, there's real communication -- my daughter understands! I wish god were more like that.
You said it's possible that I "refused it" when god called, like those in the past who were likened to chicks whom god wanted to gather under his wings or even like Judas, Adam and Eve, Pharaoh, and the scribes and Pharisees. If that's true, then things aren't looking very good for people like me because I think I know what happened to all of those folks. So in my case (if I understand you correctly), God called, I didn't hear or didn't understand and therefore he sees (in me) another Judas. Nope, things aren't looking very good for me at all.
You said that "most have been grossly misled... by RELIGION... that such invitation only goes out to a few. That is true in that there is only a FEW..." For one thing, I'm pretty sure that I haven't been misled by religion -- at least not any more, but even if I was, wouldn't god be even more interested in me then to direct me OUT of falsehood? That would be my goal with my daughter. And why does the invitation go to only a few? What's so special about people like you that makes god want to talk to some of his children (so that they understand) and seemingly disregard the rest? Is it really true that all of those that don't hear are really not wanting to hear or is there another reason(s)?
You recommend that I approach the Father, through the Lord, asking in faith, not doubting... and with a clean heart and not trying to fool him. I know it's easy but it sure sounds hard. When my daughter wants to talk to me, she just walks right up and boom... we're talking. Faith and doubting and clean heart, all that stuff, doesn't even figure into it. If she tries to "fool me" I talk to her anyway. I don't mean to offend or sound presumptuous, but I think I could teach god a thing or two about talking to his kids.
I'm serious. After millennia, it seems that there's a veil between god and humans in the matter of communication, and it's a barrier of god's making, cause I don't think many humans would refuse the chance to talk to god if they could. You just don't hear it that often. I think it's interesting that god has told you that i was serious, he's talked to you ABOUT me, he just hasn't talke TO me. At least not yet.
peace,
todd
