WTS lied about Joseph Priestley and Blood

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  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Some of you may have already made a post about this but I have decided to post the following anyway.

    The Booklet - How Can Blood Save Your Life? (Copyright 2000)
    Part 2 - Blood—Vital For Life
    Section - BLOOD AND TRUE CHRISTIANS
    Last paragraph

    "Scientist Joseph Priestley concluded: "The prohibition to eat blood, given to Noah, seems to be obligatory on all his posterity . . . If we interpret [the] prohibition of the apostles by the practice of the primitive Christians, who can hardly be supposed not to have rightly understood the nature and extent of it, we cannot but conclude, that it was intended to be absolute and perpetual; for blood was not eaten by any Christians for many centuries."

    Well I decided to research this quote for myself. The reason I researched this was that the WTS quoted a scientist and the founder of oxygen, Joseph Priestley. Why quote Priestley especially in a section that deals with the "true Christians" according to the WTS. I wondered.

    Well, I know Maximus probably knows this, but for those who don't, Priestley besides being a scientist also WAS THE FOUNDER OF THE FIRST UNITARIAN CHURCH IN AMERICA. Is the WTS going to tell me Priestley was a "true Christian"?

    So off I went to the library and found J.T. Rutt's 25 volumes of "The Theological and Miscellaneous WORKS & c. of Joseph Priestley, LL.D. F.R.S. & c. with Notes by the Editor", 1972 edition, Kraus Reprint Company, New York, 1972.

    It took me a while but I found the WTS quote of Priestly in "Volume II" containing "The Institutes, Appeal, and Familiar Illustration". In Volume 2, please turn you attention to Part III - "Containing a View of the Doctrines of Revelation", Appendix Section II - "Of Abstinence from Blood" pages 376 to 380.

    In nut shell, Priestley DOES NOT CONCLUDE what is quoted by the Watchtower in its Blood booklet!! In other words the WTS is out and out misleading the dubs.

    Just read Priestley's first paragraph on blood (page 376)

    The question concerning the lawfulness of eating blood, ought to have been considered under the head of precepts that are not of a moral nature ; but, as it is a subject of much less importance than the rest, and of a more doubtful nature, I have thought proper to reserve the discussion of it to this Appendix, in which I shall endeavour to do justice to the arguments of both sides.

    Did I read that right? Priestley considers the bible comments on blood so much less important and doubtful that Priestley decides to discuss blood in an Appendix!!!!!

    For your information, Priestley's discussion takes on both sides of the issue. But he deals with the "eating" of blood and nothing more. And at the end he states:

    Though, in discussing this subject, I have generally mentioned the arguments for the prohibition of blood before those against it, and have replied to the latter more than to the former, I would not have my reader conclude, that I am fully determined in my judgement with respect to it. Let him weigh what has been advanced on both sides, and decide for himself ; not forgetting, that this question relates to the least of all positive precept, and that all positive or ceremonial precepts are of little importance compared to the smallest moral duty.

    If this isn't enough, the WTS quote on Priestly is found in part of sentence 1 in paragraph 2 (page 376) and in sentence 1, paragraph 12 (page 380). There are 10 paragraphs loaded with information between the two parts the WTS quotes on Priestley. Unbelievable.

    Anyway, below I have provided the entire quote from Priestly on the Appendix Section II - "Of Abstinence from Blood". I have BOLDED the sections of Priestley that the WTS has quoted in its Blood Booklet. Have a read and please feel free to comment. And remember when you read Priestley below, think of those little children who have needlessly died for this blood ban.

    Part III, "Containing a View of the Doctrines of Revelation",
    Appendix,
    Section II "Of Abstinence from Blood."

    Page 376
    The question concerning the lawfulness of eating blood, ought to have been considered under the head of precepts that are not of a moral nature ; but, as it is a subject of much less importance than the rest, and of a more doubtful nature, I have thought proper to reserve the discussion of it to this Appendix, in which I shall endeavour to do justice to the arguments of both sides.

    The prohibition to eat blood, given to Noah, seems to be obligatory on all his posterity ; and as it accompanied the first express grant of animal food, it seems to be reserved, by way of acknowledgment to God, as the giver of life, and of the

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    food which supports it. Also this respect paid to blood, which is shed when animals are killed for food, and which is the most apparent vehicle of life, may be intended to inculcate a respect for life, as the most valuable gift of God, and to warn us not to deprive any animal of it, much less man, without necessity.

    It is observable, that the awful denunciation of the judgement of God against murder, immediately follows the prohibition to eat blood, as if it had been understood that they had some connection. Gen. ix. 3–6: "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you ; even as the green herb have I given you all things ; but flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall you not eat. And surely your blood of your lives will I require ; at the hand of every beast will I require it ; and at the hand of man, at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed ; for in the image of God made he man."

    It may likewise be added, as an additional argument for abstaining from blood, that it is far from being a wholesome aliment, especially in hot countries, promoting leprous and scorbutic disorders.*

    Some have argued, that the precept given to Noah, was only intended to prohibit the eating of the flesh of animals raw, or cut off without killing the animal ; but the ancient Jews understood it differently ; and when Moses repeats the injunction to the Jews in particular, (where it cannot but be acknowledged that he intended to express a prohibition of the use of blood itself,) he gives precisely the same reason for it as in this case. Lev. xvii. 14: "Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh : for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof." It is most probable, therefore, that the two commands differ only in terms, and that they have both the very same meaning.

    It might have been imagined that, by Christianity, the Gentiles, at least, had been exempted from the observance of this precept ; but among other things which were before held innocent or indifferent by them, but which were proper to be observed after their conversion to Christianity, the

    (*What Dr. Lardner says upon this subject is pretty remarkable. "Blood appears to me to be very unwholesome. Indeed, I esteem it filthy, and highly disagreeable. So that I cannot bear the thought of eating it. If ever it comes to me in food, it is more than I know. And I suppose it is never brought, either alone, or mixed with other things, to the table of polite people." Remarks on Ward's Dissertation, p. 132. P. Works, XI. p 380. See also on the Apostolic Decree, Acts xv. the French writer mentioned p. 183. Seconde Lettre, p. 344.)

    Page 378
    apostles expressly included this, when they were solemnly assembled in council, in order to write to the disciples at Antioch, who had applied to them about their obligation to observe the laws of Moses. And though it is not expressly said, that they were particularly directed by God to decide in this manner, yet it seems to be implied, when they say, that it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, as well as to themselves, Acts xv. 28: "It seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things ; that ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication ; from which, if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well."

    It is said by some, and especially Dr. Lardner, that this was only a temporary provision, designed to prevent giving offence to the Jews ; but, in answer to this, it may be said, that there is no intimation, or hint, of its being temporary, or any mention made of a time when the prohibition was to cease ; and the apostle John wrote after the destruction of Jerusalem, when it cannot be pretended that there was any necessity for observing so much tenderness with respect to the Jews.

    Moreover, it is not impossible, but that the Lord himself might refer to this decree of the apostles, and thereby give his sanction to it, when, in this message to the church at Thyatira, he says, Rev. ii. 24, 25, "I will put upon you none other burden. But that which ye have already, hold fast till I come." No moral precept is ever properly called a burden in the Scriptures ; and, therefore, they are probably some observances of a ceremonial nature, that are referred to ; and the very same word, bxps, burden, is made use of, both by the apostles, and by our Lord on this occasion.*

    It may be seen extraordinary, that the prohibition of fornication should be joined to that of eating blood, in the same decree ; but it should be considered, that fornication was not thought to be an immorality by the Gentiles ; and even the Jews had not the same ideas of chastity and purity in this respect, which are enjoined upon the Christians. Dr.

    (*It appears to me rather extraordinary, that Dr. Lardner should be of opinion, that our Lord refers to this apostolical decree in the Revelation, which he supposes to have been written in the year 95 or 96, a long time after the destruction of Jerusalem, and yet that it should have been intended to continue in force only till his religion had made greater progress in the world; as if that was the meaning of his coming : whereas, I do not think, that any thing else in the language of the New Testament would lead us to conclude, that this phrase was applicable to any other than some determinate event, and especially the destruction of Jesualem, or the time of the final judgement. See Remarks on Ward's Dissertations, p. 122. P. Works, XI. p. 325)

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    Lardner supposes that, by fornication in the apostolical decree, we are to understand marriage with Heathens, from which the apostle Paul so earnestly dissuades the Christians at Corinth.

    Dr. Lardner also supposes, that "this decree is not to be understood as a precept or commandment, but as delivering advice and counsel, concerning some matters of prudence and expedience, considering the circumstances of the things and persons at the time."* But it cannot be denied, that it becomes all Christians to yield to such advice and counsel, if it extend to them. And if, as he allows, it did extend to Christians after the destruction of Jerusalem, I do not see that there is not equal reason why it should extend to us. And one of the reasons for abstaining from blood, which was hinted at when the prohibition was given to Noah, is of as much weight now as ever it was.

    It has been urged as an argument against the perpetuity of the apostolical decree in the Acts, that the apostle Paul never quotes or alludes to it in his writings. But, admitting it to be temporary, no person will maintain that it was not designed to extend beyond the time of his Epistles ; and yet, though the unlawfulness of fornication be allow to be perpetual, Paul did not avail himself of any argument drawn from that decree when he wrote on that subject to the Corinthians, who, of all the Greeks, were most remarkably addicted to that vice.

    If we interpret this prohibition of the apostles by the practice of the primitive Christians, who can hardly be supposed not to have rightly understood the nature and extent of it, we cannot but conclude, that it was intended to be absolute and perpetual ; for blood was not eaten by any Christians for many centuries. When the Christians were charged with meeting in the night, and drinking blood, by way of binding one another to secrecy, in some immoral practices, Tertullian observes, with respect to it, that it is well known that no Christian would eat blood at all ; insomuch, that it was usual with Heathens, when they wanted to know whether any person was a Christian, to set blood puddings before him, as a very sufficient test.

    Blood is not eaten by Christians in any part of the East, or by the Greeks or Russians, who are of the Greek church, to this day ; nor indeed was the use of blood introduced into this western part of the world till very late. When

    (* Remarks on Ward's Dissertations, p. 141. P. Works, XI. p. 335.)

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    the Pomeranians were converted to Christianity, which was in 1120, they were particularly enjoined to abstain from blood, as a badge of their profession. It was not allowed to be eaten in the West in the time of Bede, or a century afterwards ; and blood was not eaten in any part of Switzerland till Calvin introduced the practice from some other place. See Curcellaeus on this subject. Dr. Lardner, however, says, that little regard was paid to these regulations of the apostolical decree by the Latin Christians, from the end of the fourth century.*

    It is farther said, that the liberal spirit of Christians is strongly against any such a distinction of meats as the prohibition of the use of blood supposes ; and that even the very letter of the declaration of our Lord and his apostles excludes any such distinction. Thus we read, Matt. xv. 11, "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man." And the apostle Paul represents him who believeth that he may eat all things, as not weak but as of a stronger and more enlarged mind than he who thought and acted differently, Rom. xiv. 1. He also says, ver. 17, "The Kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost ;" and ver. 20, "All things indeed are pure: but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence."

    But our Saviour made the declaration above-mentioned, at a time when he himself strictly conformed even to the Jewish distinction of meats ; and Paul might only allude to the same restrictions, to which, as well as to other Jewish rites, many Christians then conformed. The same apostle, in the same general manner, makes light of all distinction of days, through he, no doubt, made a distinction of one day of the rest.

    Though, in discussing this subject, I have generally mentioned the arguments for the prohibition of blood before those against it, and have replied to the latter more than to the former, I would not have my reader conclude, that I am fully determined in my judgement with respect to it. Let him weigh what has been advanced on both sides, and decide for himself ; not forgetting, that this question relates to the least of all positive precept, and that all positive or ceremonial precepts are of little importance compared to the smallest moral duty.

    (*Remarks on Ward's Dissertations, p. 136. P. Works, XI. p. 332. P.)

    For those who are interested I have photocopied the necessary pages in the book and will be getting them scanned shortly. Let me know he you want a copy.

    Hawk

  • Maximus
    Maximus

    Assume that a peeled orange slice is a package, a vehicle for conveying orange juice.

    The red cell is a similar package, a vehicle for conveying hemoglobin, which is 97% of the erythrocyte (red cell) by dry weight. The Society says you can't take a packed red cell infusion, but you can "eat" or be "nourished" by the contents of the cell, the hemoglobin.

    You can consume the orange juice but not eat the orange slice!

    The Society now says you can consume HemoPure, hemoglobin fractionated from cow's blood--that wasn't poured out on the ground, of course! Do you see the inconsistency in this? Would there be any difference in taking hemoglobin from a human? And especially from a human who donated his/her blood in a compassionate act for the PRESERVATION of life? Could you donate fractions?

    Priestley sees that life is indeed so sacred that God wants

    :: to warn us not to deprive any animal of it, much less man, without necessity.

    What would the compassionate Priestley think about letting a child bleed to death in a grand symbolic gesture of respect for the sacredness of life?

    How can the symbol be more important than the reality?

    On another note, this example of slanted quotations is just one of a long list of such distortions that have gone on for many, many years; canards that are repeated over and over even by sincere senior writers who simply have not checked the original material. And of course, since the "faithful slave" has printed it in past years, it is de facto infallible. Right?

    Excellent job, hawkaw. Much appreciated.

    And what I want to know is, Was Priestley one of those true Christians, or was he one of those Godless scientists the Society is always talking about.

    Ever hear of the Procrustean bed? Procrustes lopped off the legs or feet of his guests to fit the bed ... That's the Society today, no matter what new names may attach.

    Maximus
    On what basis was the decision made to accept an individual fraction or component? Weight, volume, importance? Certainly not physiology.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  • sf
    sf

    Nice piece of homework Hawk!

    sKally

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Maximus,

    Thanks - I see you are using Dr. Sam Muramoto's pie chart. Its a big eye opener.

    Did you see Sam's response in the CMJ?

    hawk

  • Eusebius Hieronymus
  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Sf and now EH, thanks.

    It is convenient that the WTS forgets to add the following quote that is found on the top of page 377:

    Also this respect paid to blood, which is shed when animals are killed for food, and which is the most apparent vehicle of life, may be intended to inculcate a respect for life, as the most valuable gift of God, and to warn us not to deprive any animal of it, much less man, without necessity.

    I will try to add more comments on this tomorrow.

    hawk

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

    hawkaw,

    Misleading quotations are terribly dishonest. Even more dishonest is an organization refusing to openly discuss and answer for its own teachings. Time and time again the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society has simply brushed off those within its own company who have asked to have legitimate and sincere questions answered about its blood policy.

    For example, suppose two children of Jehovah’s Witnesses are in need of blood components in order to live. One needs platelets and the other needs albumin. If both sets of parents conscientiously accept the respective blood components only the two parents who allowed platelets would face congregational shunning. The Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society has been asked why this is and upon what scriptural basis such a distinction could possibly be supported. Answer: [deafening silence!]

    Oh, they will make a reply all right. They will say a lot of words all right. But no answer for the dilemma! They just keep spouting, "Our position has remained consistent" as if that is true and as if that really answers the honest question asked.

    I know personally several sincere Jehovah’s Witnesses who have tried to get the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society to answer honest and legitimate questions on this subject, to no avail. It is the height of dishonesty to assert "The Bible is our guide" on one hand yet refuse to give a solid scriptural answer for an imposed teaching on the other hand.

    hawkaw, I want to personally thank you for your efforts on behalf of Jehovah’s Witnesses on this subject of blood. Though most Jehovah’s Witnesses will never know of your philanthropic work on this subject, let alone understand or acknowledge it, they are nevertheless recipients of a good deed. I thank you for them!

    Any one of Jehovah’s Witnesses who believes for one second that the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society would, in the fashion of Pastor Russell, openly debate its present policy on blood transfusion, is kidding themselves. Pretending that such a reluctance is meaningless is terribly ignorant. Such a debate is not about words. It is about a teaching purported to be scriptural! Thank God the apostle Paul and those like him were not such cowards about what they published!

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

    Maximus,

    Good illustration!

    A few months ago I had occasion to explain to a fellow elder the WTS’ new policy of allowing hemoglobin. I took a plastic sandwich bag and filled it with colored water, and said "This is sacred stuff! You cannot transfuse it!" Then I poured the colored water out into a bowl and said "Transfusing this is up to you." The elder replied, "That is absurd, you are dead wrong! The Society would never teach such a stupid policy as that." Ignorance is bliss, I suppose—not. In this case it is deadly, to say nothing of the morality of the circumstance!

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Marvin,

    Thanks for your nice reply and your help the other day. We must talk via Email some more when I get a second.

    You said to Max,

    In this case it is deadly....

    That says it all doesn't it.

    hawk ( http://www.ajwrb.org

  • Maximus
    Maximus

    Asked about this above, letter to Canadian Medical Journal, CMJ:

    As a medical adviser for the Associated Jehovah's Witnesses for Reform on Blood, I would like to challenge some statements made by Zenon Bodnaruk in his response [Letter]1 to John Doyle's letter regarding Jehovah's Witnesses and artificial blood.2

    Bodnaruk states that our Web site "purports to present the position of Jehovah's Witnesses." This is incorrect. The site does not represent the position of Jehovah's Witnesses in general, but rather the dissenting views among Witnesses regarding this controversial policy.3

    Bodnaruk is also not completely correct in saying that "individual members make their own personal decisions with respect to fractions of blood components" and that this is "the long-standing position" of the religion. Official church publications show that the use of serum was prohibited by the church from 1964 to 1973, the use of clotting factors by hemophiliacs was prohibited until 1978 and the use of albumin was forbidden until 1981.

    More details of the history of the blood policy are available at our Web site, with references to Watchtower Society literature. The total reversal of the policy surrounding the use of hemoglobin in only 2 years, as reported by Doyle,2 raises further concerns about the ever-changing nature of the policy.

    The Associated Jehovah's Witnesses for Reform on Blood does not disagree with the blood-conservation strategy used by so-called bloodless programs. However, the bloodless medicine Bodnaruk and the Watchtower Society are advocating is not just a blood-conservation strategy. They fully expect members to lay down their lives when all alternatives to blood transfusion are exhausted. Bodnaruk is again disingenuous in ignoring the fact that the "life-saving blood conservation techniques" he advocates do not save the lives of many Witness patients who could otherwise survive if blood transfusions were used as a last resort.

    Osamu Muramoto
    Regional Ethics Council
    Kaiser Permanente Northwest Division
    Medical Adviser
    Associated Jehovah's Witnesses for Reform on Blood
    Portland, Ore.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    References

    1. Bodnaruk ZM. Jehovah's Witnesses and artificial blood [letter]. CMAJ 2000;163(5):496-7.
    2. Doyle JD. Jehovah's Witnesses and artificial blood [letter]. CMAJ 2000;163(5):495-6.
    3. Elder L. Why some Jehovah's Witnesses accept blood and conscientiously reject official Watchtower Society blood policy. J Med Ethics 2000;26:375-80. [MEDLINE]

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